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Thread: War on drugs.

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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    The "war on drugs" is just a war on people. The object is to get as many people into the "prison industrial complex" as possible.
    Then fines and penalties have to be payed. They have to be "monitored"...all this requires more jails and prisons and more unionized cops and guards, swat teams, dogs, guns, cars, radios and clerks and judges and courthouses and probation officers and lawyers....etc..etc...Essentially bigger government to "control" more people and take their property.

    The more people they get in the system, the more they can point to a drug "problem"..and continue to grow the system at the expanse of citizens. It's a self fulfilling, never ending "problem" (racket) that can only be addressed by incarcerating more and more people.
    It's all about control.

    Have you ever heard a cop/police chief say that they have enough "assets"?..of course not. They always want more....it "justifies" their job.
    Imagine if drugs were legalized today...the jails would be emptied and all these law "enforcement" people wouldn't be necessary.
    It ain't gonna happen.
    I am 100% in agreement and the "War on Terror"is exactly the same thing. Let's get rid of both. No more police state.

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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, pot is not harmless, most rational people realize this. However, it's no more harmful than alcohol or tobacco, and those are legal.

    Plus IMO when you compare the harm that might be done by legalizing marijuana vs the cost of enforcing the laws against it, I don't think it's worth it to keep it illegal.
    I disagree. We've all known plenty of alcoholics who held down good jobs for years. Heavy pot users though are generally useless. This isn't just my prejudice. Alcohol is water soluble and a healthy person generally metabolizes it fairly quickly. THC is fat soluble and takes much longer to be filtered out of a healthy body. Heavy pot users often tend to be constantly impaired, while most alcoholics can be quite functional, even successful for much of their day.

    People rarely seem to consider the great desirability to the ruling class of an electorate that is largely mentally impaired, and what that means to the electorate itself.
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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I disagree. We've all known plenty of alcoholics who held down good jobs for years. Heavy pot users though are generally useless. This isn't just my prejudice. Alcohol is water soluble and a healthy person generally metabolizes it fairly quickly. THC is fat soluble and takes much longer to be filtered out of a healthy body. Heavy pot users often tend to be constantly impaired, while most alcoholics can be quite functional, even successful for much of their day.

    People rarely seem to consider the great desirability to the ruling class of an electorate that is largely mentally impaired, and what that means to the electorate itself.
    Alcohol is one of the very few drugs in which death is a symptom of withdraw. And alcoholism is exceptionally destructive to both the victim and to his family. It leads to violence, abuse, betrayal, heart-break, prison, insanity and death. I still wouldn't want to outlaw it, because that would only create even more gang crime, but claiming that alcoholism is less destructive than a pot habit is greatly underestimating the destructive effects of alcoholism.
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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana as well as some other relatively harmless and less addictive drugs like ecstasy, LSD, mescaline, and mushrooms. I also believe some drugs are dangerous enough that they should remain illegal, such as heroin, cocaine, and crystal meth.

    I do think that the method of enforcement should change for the drugs that remain illegal though. It should focus on the people importing and selling the drugs, and focus more on treating the addiction of users rather than punishing them.
    I think with hard drugs like heroine and Methamphetamine, the government should continue going after dealers, distributes, and manufactures, but decriminalize the use of those drugs. Also I think the government should offer a clean alternative for people going through withdrawal.
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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    I want to get a feel for many people here are pro-legalization of pot, how many are pro legalization of everything, and how many are drug warriors.
    I might consider legalizing everything because if there is a wr on drugs, we're losing it. What causes me pause is that some drugs are much more harmful than others, and we all suffer from the results of that harm. It is never limited to just the user.

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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I might consider legalizing everything because if there is a wr on drugs, we're losing it. What causes me pause is that some drugs are much more harmful than others, and we all suffer from the results of that harm. It is never limited to just the user.
    Yeah, particularly with the harder drug like you're saying. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. ;]
    Crystal meth is purely a poison imo. Heroine attacks the body in a way that makes the body need it.
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    Re: War on drugs.

    Even those who hate drugs should realize that their continued criminalization is doing far more harm than good. There are still drugs available everywhere, and instead we have sacrificed constitutional protections, civil liberties, and the justice in our justice system. We sacrificed those things for nothing in return.
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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    I want to get a feel for many people here are pro-legalization of pot, how many are pro legalization of everything, and how many are drug warriors.
    The war on drugs has filled our prisons with druggies, leaving no room for the real criminals. We have more prisoners per capita than anyone else, and yet let car thieves out because there is only room for "violent" offenders.

    The war on drugs has resulted in a virtual guerrilla war on our southern border between the cartels, and between the cartels and Federales.

    The war on pot has resulted in kids finding it easier to buy pot than alcohol.

    Marijuana laws have their roots in overt, blatant racism.

    Other than that, oh yes, the war on drugs is just a terrific idea.

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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I disagree. We've all known plenty of alcoholics who held down good jobs for years. Heavy pot users though are generally useless. This isn't just my prejudice. Alcohol is water soluble and a healthy person generally metabolizes it fairly quickly. THC is fat soluble and takes much longer to be filtered out of a healthy body. Heavy pot users often tend to be constantly impaired, while most alcoholics can be quite functional, even successful for much of their day.

    People rarely seem to consider the great desirability to the ruling class of an electorate that is largely mentally impaired, and what that means to the electorate itself.
    Actually, I've known several people who used marijuana on a regular basis and were normal, functioning members of society. And marijuana does not cause the kind of physical dependence that alcohol does, so the only people who get addicted are those with psychological addictions.
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    Re: War on drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    Also I think the government should offer a clean alternative for people going through withdrawal.
    I kind of agree with that and I kind of don't. Methadone programs get abused quite a bit.
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