Has obama brought the races together[W:225]

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Jack Hays said:

Sorry, but yours is a content-free post. I invited you to explain your view, and you declined. So be it.eace

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you've always had this problem Jack, and I'm surprised you haven't done anything about it .. if someone posts something that you don't like, understand, or have an answer for, you say it's content-free ... and then you add some version of a common con post "I see you surrendered," "I see you're deflecting," "I don't blame you for retreating," ... Jack, you're to smart to pretend that there is no privilege to being white in this country ... I prefer to think that you're simply exercising your white privilege and being dishonest ...

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AGENT J said:

wow thats a long post to say no you arent.
play nice? remind me which on of us posted lies about the other?
and what act, how am i acting "tough" this is a message board if you havent realized
pointing out your failed posts and lies is communicating. nice try though

let me know if you change your mind

facts defeat you again

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Can't say I didn't try.:shrug:

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windowdressing said:

you've always had this problem Jack, and I'm surprised you haven't done anything about it .. if someone posts something that you don't like, understand, or have an answer for, you say it's content-free ... and then you add some version of a common con post "I see you surrendered," "I see you're deflecting," "I don't blame you for retreating," ... Jack, you're to smart to pretend that there is no privilege to being white in this country ... I prefer to think that you're simply exercising your white privilege and being dishonest ...

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No. I simply don't believe white privilege exists. Class privilege exists. If you are going to assert the existence of white privilege then you'll have to do something more than claim I'm too smart not to know about it. Otherwise, knock off the unearned condescension.eace

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Jack Hays said:

Looks to me like he got the best of you all around.:mrgreen:

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Jack, it amazes me what a poor judge of posts you are .. What the heck were you reading to arrive at that conclusion? Get a grip man!

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Jack Hays said:

No. I simply don't believe white privilege exists. Class privilege exists. If you are going to assert the existence of white privilege then you'll have to do something more than claim I'm too smart not to know about it. Otherwise, knock off the unearned condescension.eace

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What is the relationship between race and class? And don't be so modest ... you earned the condescension ...

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windowdressing said:

Jack, it amazes me what a poor judge of posts you are .. What the heck were you reading to arrive at that conclusion? Get a grip man!

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I call 'em like I see 'em.

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windowdressing said:

What is the relationship between race and class? And don't be so modest ... you earned the condescension ...

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Race and class have no necessary relationship. They have coincidental relationships that vary from place to place, depending on circumstances.eace

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Jack Hays said:

I call 'em like I see 'em.

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it must be the "seeing" that I'm questioning ... ... truth is, we wear different lenses ... you get yours on the right side of the store, and I get mine on the left ... and so it goes ...

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Jack Hays said:

Race and class have no necessary relationship. They have coincidental relationships that vary from place to place, depending on circumstances.eace

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on average, how do blacks and whites compare in income, wealth, education, etc. in the U.S.? I think we know ... but you say it's coincidental? :roll:

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windowdressing said:

on average, how do blacks and whites compare in income, wealth, education, etc. in the U.S.? I think we know ... but you say it's coincidental? :roll:

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I'd be more interested in a comparison of the ratios of two parent families among the two groups.

Good evening bj...

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windowdressing said:

on average, how do blacks and whites compare in income, wealth, education, etc. in the U.S.? I think we know ... but you say it's coincidental? :roll:

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Blacks obviously do less well. That's our past. It is not our present or future.eace

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sawyerloggingon said:

Can't say I didn't try.:shrug:

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this is true, your tried to sell that false opinion but it didnt take
let me know when you are going to try honesty and your poll

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AlabamaPaul said:

I'd be more interested in a comparison of the ratios of two parent families among the two groups.

Good evening bj...

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finally ... thabk you ... please tell Jack that ... another class difference that Jack would say is coincidental ...

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Jack Hays said:

Blacks obviously do less well. That's our past. It is not our present or future.eace

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I give up Jack ... I remember trying to explain institutional racism to you and Paul more than a year ago, and it ended with Paul not talking to me for months (I still the scars from that) ... take care ... wife and I are going out to dinner to celebrate our 30th ...

sawyerloggingon said:

In another thread someone tried to tell me Obama has united the races. His sole argument for this was that whites voted for him. IMO Obama has made race relations even worse and has squandered a golden opportunity to bring this country together with his divisive statements and the way he has inserted himself into various race related issues in a Sharpton, Jackson like fashion. I'm curious what others think and why.

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He brought them together.... in the streets...... to fight each other....

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windowdressing said:

I give up Jack ... I remember trying to explain institutional racism to you and Paul more than a year ago, and it ended with Paul not talking to me for months (I still the scars from that) ... take care ... wife and I are going out to dinner to celebrate our 30th ...

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Congratulations!!

If I added mine all together, I'd be at about 33...

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AlabamaPaul said:

Congratulations!!

If I added mine all together, I'd be at about 33...

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:lamo ... I got some catching up to do ... unfortunately I got started late ...

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windowdressing said:

I give up Jack ... I remember trying to explain institutional racism to you and Paul more than a year ago, and it ended with Paul not talking to me for months (I still the scars from that) ... take care ... wife and I are going out to dinner to celebrate our 30th ...

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Good evening, windowdressing! :2wave:

Congratulations! You are having a very event filled year, aren't you? The next 20 will be important. . .you get your picture in the paper for the golden one! :thumbs:

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windowdressing said:

I give up Jack ... I remember trying to explain institutional racism to you and Paul more than a year ago, and it ended with Paul not talking to me for months (I still the scars from that) ... take care ... wife and I are going out to dinner to celebrate our 30th ...

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I don't recall you ever trying to explain anything, only showering one and all with invective. Happy 30th.

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polgara said:

Good evening, windowdressing! :2wave:

Congratulations! You are having a very event filled year, aren't you? The next 20 will be important. . .you get your picture in the paper for the golden one! :thumbs:

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glad I took one more look before heading out ... you always put me in a better mood than I'm in, and I will express my gratitude by being even more affectionate with my wife ... if she notices, I'll simply say there was an angel involved ... good night ...

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Jack Hays said:

I don't recall you ever trying to explain anything, only showering one and all with invective. Happy 30th.

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the memory is the first thing to go Jack ... but don't worry, Reagan served one term with his memory almost gone completely (Contras? Arms for hostages? What? Where? When?) ... thanks ...

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I'll admit, when he was first elected in 2008, my second silver lining was that not only was Obama black, but that it seemed his personal story would serve so well to help him counter so many destructive narratives in the african american community. Here was a man who could stand up and speak with credibility about growing up as a young black male without a father, who had married prior to having children, stayed married to a woman who (whatever else) appeared to be a dedicated and caring mother, who could stand up and talk to the black community today about the importance of raising children inside of a loving family, rather than on the streets, of the importance of fathers being their for their kids, rather than moving from one baby mamma / baby daddy to the next. Here was a Lawyer and Professor who could speak to the value of education and deride the notion that it was a "white thing", but rather a critical stepping stone out of poverty. Here was a figure universally adored within the African American community who could speak responsibly and respectfully counter the destructive influences of the Al Sharptons, the Jesse Jacksons. I figured the time spent listening to the crazy preacher was something he had done because it was helpful in Chicago Politics, rather than out of any kind of conviction.

Instead he seems to have chosen (deliberately or not) to insert himself into potentially racial situations in a way that divides. From the Police Acted Stupidly, to If I Had A Son He Would Look Like Trayvon to Eric Holders' Justice Department deciding White People Can't Have Their Civil Rights Violated So Why Protect Them.

Like so many other, it seems, I bought into a Hope that turned to ashes.

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TiredOfLife said:

In a country where people still hate and fear blacks, especially black men, how exactly was he supposed to bring us together? Even before he was elected the overt racists here were screaming for his head. What he eventually has to do, in high profile race cases, is make some sort of statement. That's not inserting himself, and I'm quite sure that's the last thing he wants to have to do.

We are still a racist country. Obama can't fix that and frankly, that's not his job either.

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You mean: "In a country where people still hate and fear whites, especially white men, how exactly was he supposed to bring us together?"

I agree with you, we are still a racist country and we always be until people recognize the racial prejudices within themselves and the fact that racism is not a "white person" thing, it's a human thing.

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Monserrat said:

You mean: "In a country where people still hate and fear whites, especially white men, how exactly was he supposed to bring us together?"

I agree with you, we are still a racist country and we always be until people recognize the racial prejudices within themselves and the fact that racism is not a "white person" thing, it's a human thing.

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That should be fairly obvious.

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TiredOfLife said:

That should be fairly obvious.

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The fact that there are a lot of racial biases expressed towards white people? I would think so too but honestly, how many individuals could even name a black racist towards a white person? Hypothetical question but the answer would be not too many people and it's not because black people aren't racist it's because either society doesn't give a **** or they just are too ignorant to realize that racism stems from each "race".