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Has obama brought the races together[W:225]

has obama brought races together

  • no. obama made race relations worse

    Votes: 39 67.2%

  • yes, obama has united races as never before

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • obama has had no effect on race relations

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Total voters
    58
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Jack Hays said:
Well, yes. This is an opinion discussion. The significant thing about Ms. Parker is her reputation for fairness.:peace
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I read the article and, of course, I don't agree with her.

For one, Obama did not make this about race. It was about race, if not based on the facts of the case then certainly on the upheaval around race that it created. The racial dimensions were central to the discussion surrounding this case long before he commented.

I think this was an effort to reach out on a personal level, because in case you hadn't notice....he is a black man. I see it as an effort to humanize things. To help people who do no know the experience of racism to better understand that it is a reality. If the a black man who presents like this can still illicit those reactions from some white people then clearly we still have racial issues in this country.

I think that a needed conversation is being pushed on all the people in this country who have been trying to dodge it and they don't like it. So they scream race-baiter and accuse people of making it up. It is real and it is time.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

opendebate said:
I read the article and, of course, I don't agree with her.

For one, Obama did not make this about race. It was about race, if not based on the facts of the case then certainly on the upheaval around race that it created. The racial dimensions were central to the discussion surrounding this case long before he commented.

I think this was an effort to reach out on a personal level, because in case you hadn't notice....he is a black man. I see it as an effort to humanize things. To help people who do no know the experience of racism to better understand that it is a reality. If the a black man who presents like this can still illicit those reactions from some white people then clearly we still have racial issues in this country.

I think that a needed conversation is being pushed on all the people in this country who have been trying to dodge it and they don't like it. So they scream race-baiter and accuse people of making it up. It is real and it is time.
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Or maybe it was just a run-of-the-mill self defense case, as the jury eventually confirmed, and it was hijacked by people with a racial agenda. Race was not in the case; race was brought to the case.:peace
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Jack Hays said:
To quote Kathleen Parker:

Barack Obama helped lead the way when he identified himself with the parents of Trayvon Martin, shot by George Zimmerman in the neighborhood-watch catastrophe with which all are familiar. Stepping out from his usual duties of drawing meaningless red lines in the Syrian sand, the president splashed red paint across the American landscape:
“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
In so saying, he essentially gave permission for all to identify themselves by race with the victim or the accused. How sad, as we approach the 50th anniversary of the march Martin Luther King Jr. led on Washington, that even the president resorts to judging not by the content of one’s character but by the color of his skin — the antithesis of the great dream King articulated. :peace
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Excellent post! I wish I could give a bunch of likes for this. :thumbs:
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

sawyerloggingon said:
1.)I'm not sure what your problem is
2.) if you want to see a certain poll post it yourself. If you don't know how I will be happy to walk you through it. If you are just to intimidated by the process I will even post it for you just tell me exactly how you want it worded and what you want the answerers to be, I am at your service. No need to thank me it's just the kinda guy I am.:)
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1.) no problem at all pointing out the truth
2.) not needed i already know the results of your illogical idea, its a complete failure thats why you are to afraid and wont do it.

facts defeat you again
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

WCH said:
The NBC affiliate that doctored the 9-11 tape and all of the media making Trayvon look like a young child pretty much set the whole 'racial' facet into motion. Remember it was months afterwards that outside parties started getting involved. (waiting for the public outcry) It was a race bait set-up in my opinion and our President, the Justice department and the Justice Brother (Al and Jessie) stoked the fire.

Even during the trial, nothing was about race, It wasn't a factor and it couldn't be proven Zim was a racist anyhow. Quite the opposite.

Let me be perfectly clear, there ARE cases of obvious racism but, in the context of a serious crime being committed, we already have laws that serve justice. The emotional baggage that race brings into the fray is unnecessary and with the case of Rodney King [for example] can turn an ordinary case of police brutality into a giant collapse of society.

Do you follow me?
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I hear you but try this on for size. Try to see things from a different perspective, not that you have to agree with it but just for the sake of understanding.

Maybe you are right, maybe some saw this as an opportunity to further their own self interests. But that does not mean that the story itself did not have racial elements. Some may have distracted, with their pomp and puffery, from the heart of a truly tragic story that we all had something valuable to learn from. The incident should not loose its relevancy because of them.

Is it possible that to people who have experienced a history of oppression and bigotry this was just the final straw. That in the context of their lives this easily appeared consistent with bigoted behavior and that maybe the take away here is what drove so many to interpret the events of that night as they did.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AGENT J said:
1.) no problem at all pointing out the truth
2.) not needed i already know the results of your illogical idea, its a complete failure thats why you are to afraid and wont do it.

facts defeat you again
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So do you want me to post a poll for you or not?
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

sawyerloggingon said:
So do you want me to post a poll for you or not?
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for me? nope, dont need it
i know you are factually wrong just like the other posters in that thread but if you want to educated yourself how wrong you are man up and go for it!
Make it public and ask us all "do you think any black man would have won the presidential election in 08 simply and solely because he was black" yes/no

ill be waiting to see if you man up and do it
facts defeat you again
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AGENT J said:
for me? nope, dont need it
i know you are factually wrong just like the other posters in that thread but if you want to educated yourself how wrong you are man up and go for it!
Make it public and ask us all "do you think any black man would have won the presidential election in 08 simply and solely because he was black" yes/no

ill be waiting to see if you man up and do it
facts defeat you again
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I'm thinking you are the one that needs to grow a pair, if you want a certain poll make it but if you ask me politely I will post that exact poll for you, lets be civil shall we?
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

sawyerloggingon said:
I'm thinking you are the one that needs to grow a pair, if you want a certain poll make it but if you ask me politely I will post that exact poll for you, lets be civil shall we?
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You're asking AJ to do what he doesn't do well.:peace
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

sawyerloggingon said:
I'm thinking you are the one that needs to grow a pair, if you want a certain poll make it but if you ask me politely I will post that exact poll for you, lets be civil shall we?
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so the answer is no you are not, thats EXACTLY what i thought, got it
im being totally civil, ill wait to see if you change your mind

facts defeat you again
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AGENT J said:
so the answer is no you are not, thats EXACTLY what i thought, got it
im being totally civil, ill wait to see if you change your mind

facts defeat you again
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If you could only play nice. It would behoove you to drop the tough guy act, that does not stimulate good conversation. Years ago I went to CR England truck driver training in order to get my CDL so I could eventually buy my own log truck. There was this black guy in my class from Detroit and we were hanging out one day in a grassy tree area they had and shootin the breeze. He looked around at the surrounding mountains, leaned back in his chair and said "this is so nice, there's nobody here messinwitcha." I said what do you mean and he told me about sitting on his front stoop at home and how he had to act tough all the time. He went into his act and it was amazing, like watching Dr Jeykle turn into Mr Hyde. Drop the act dude, you are not on your front stoop, relax and communicate.:)
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

sawyerloggingon said:
If you could only play nice. It would behoove you to drop the tough guy act, that does not stimulate good conversation. Years ago I went to CR England truck driver training in order to get my CDL so I could eventually buy my own log truck. There was this black guy in my class from Detroit and we were hanging out one day in a grassy tree area they had and shootin the breeze. He looked around at the surrounding mountains, leaned back in his chair and said "this is so nice, there's nobody here messinwitcha." I said what do you mean and he told me about sitting on his front stoop at home and how he had to act tough all the time. He went into his act and it was amazing, like watching Dr Jeykle turn into Mr Hyde. Drop the act dude, you are not on your front stoop, relax and communicate.:)
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wow thats a long post to say no you arent.
play nice? remind me which on of us posted lies about the other?
and what act, how am i acting "tough" this is a message board if you havent realized
pointing out your failed posts and lies is communicating. nice try though

let me know if you change your mind

facts defeat you again
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AGENT J said:
wow thats a long post to say no you arent.
play nice? remind me which on of us posted lies about the other?
and what act, how am i acting "tough" this is a message board if you havent realized
pointing out your failed posts and lies is communicating. nice try though

let me know if you change your mind

facts defeat you again
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Looks to me like he got the best of you all around.:mrgreen:
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Jack Hays said:
Looks to me like he got the best of you all around.:mrgreen:
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im sure you think that, however your opinion is meaningless
Im actually happy YOU think that
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Cephus said:
Post racial? No. In fact, it's turned around and now the blacks are much more racist than the whites.
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there is so much garbage like yours on this thread that it's in danger of being designated a landfill ... Good news for you, however ... August 28th is the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington ... hold off on the rest of your racist crap until then ... while decent people celebrate, you and your ilk can spend the entire day posting how whites are discriminated against and how blacks have all of the best, most powerful jobs in the country, the greatest amount of wealth, the best and most education, the best healthcare, and on and on ... Want to give it a go? See you then ...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Jack Hays said:
I don't believe I've ever used the term "post-racial America." Racism certainly exists, but it has been separated from its former social and institutional supports. It's a bit like cigarette smoking, no longer broadly acceptable, and increasingly confined to isolated, marginalized environments. It's now an individual failing. That's what makes "white privilege" such a silly term.:peace
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white privilege is anything but silly, and in fact you demonstrated in your post by downplaying the depth of racism that still exists in this country ... it's not your problem Jack, it never has been ... but it continues to be "their" problem ... that's white privilege, and you'll continue to enjoy it to your last breath ...
 
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windowdressing said:
white privilege is anything but silly, and in fact you demonstrated in your post by downplaying the depth of racism that still exists in this country ... it's not your problem Jack, it never has been ... but it continues to be "their" problem ... that's white privilege, and you'll continue to enjoy it to your last breath ...
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Sorry, but yours is a content-free post. I invited you to explain your view, and you declined. So be it.:peace
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Moderator's Warning:
The baiting and personal comments need to stop now. Return to the topic, which is not each other.
 
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