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Has obama brought the races together[W:225]

has obama brought races together

  • no. obama made race relations worse

    Votes: 39 67.2%
  • yes, obama has united races as never before

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • obama has had no effect on race relations

    Votes: 17 29.3%

  • Total voters
    58
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Those words from Bush you wrote had nothing to do with race...nothing. He never mentioned the race or color of those involved AT ALL!

It was a racially charged event. His Dept of Justice prosecuted the officers on Civil rights violations.....

Racism is born, bred, manifested and metastasized in the mind of a Leftist and has been a tenet of Communism for more than 100 years.
Bwahaha...so racism didn't exist in "real life" in the past 100 years? I guess the Jim Crow south was communist propaganda.

The former FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, said of the Communist goals:

"Communists seek to advance the cause of communism by injecting themselves into racial situations and in exploiting them, (1) to intensify the frictions between Negroes and Whites to 'prove' that discrimination against the minorities is an inherent defect of the capitalistic system, (2) to foster domestic disunity by dividing Negroes and Whites into antagonistic, warring factions, (3) to undermine and destroy established authority, (4) to incite racial strife and riotous activity, and (6) to portray the Communist movement as the 'champion' of social protest and the only force capable of ameliorating the conditions of the Negro and the oppressed."

Bizarre you quote Hoover on race. He also believed the Civil rights movement was a communist plot. They threatened MLK on multiple occasions and tried to black mail him. Seems like your kind of guy....

You and that DHS employee can now go into complete denial. 8)
Yeah...I'm the one in denial!
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Well, the last president did what his Republican constituents do. He ignored racial issues and pretended they didn't exist. What you're calling "injecting" is simply acknowledging the existence of problems. I get why that's hard for a conservative to do, though. I'm sure you'd prefer to just go back to pretending that there are no problems, since most of them benefit you at the expensive of blacks and latinos.
And this is why the right will continue fail at attracting minorities. They still see talking about race as "injecting race into things" rather than acknowledging the reality. Democrats and Obama are not perfect, but at least more of them acknowledge the reality that many non-whites face.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

And this is why the right will continue fail at attracting minorities. They still see talking about race as "injecting race into things" rather than acknowledging the reality. Democrats and Obama are not perfect, but at least more of them acknowledge the reality that many non-whites face.

A smarter strategy might be believing in one's positions without regards to attracting a particular block...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

In another thread someone tried to tell me Obama has united the races. His sole argument for this was that whites voted for him. IMO Obama has made race relations even worse and has squandered a golden opportunity to bring this country together with his divisive statements and the way he has inserted himself into various race related issues in a Sharpton, Jackson like fashion. I'm curious what others think and why.

why do you post lies, that is NOT what i said at all and why is your poll private? VERY telling.
I didnt just come out and say obama united the races, nice try but a failure,
im glad somebody told me this lie was here.
ALso why didnt you post what YOU Said and i told you to post about??? ALso very telling
no need to make stuff up just cause that thread was a total failure and the posters mocked your OP

why dont you make a post/poll about you said, you said that ANY black man could have run in 08 and they would have run simply because they were black.
weird you left this out and tried to spin your thread/post in a very dishonest direction but failed.

the context of my REAL comment, somebody wrote this: (they are probably banned now for the many ignorant things they said)
The bottom line is that since Obama has been President there is more racial divide that I have seen since I was a kid. And I went through the Detroit riot of 1967.

I replied with this bit of truth
actually the reality is, since his election the people that never had a problem with race, black and white are equal or closer.
The ones that were always racist bigots (no matter their own color) are worse because they are scared, just have bigger and louder mouths but their numbers havent changed. They realize how dumb they are and that the country is getting smarter then them.


the fact is Obama got himself elected twice by his ability to bring races together

this doesnt mean we all like him and his policies but it is how he got elected

notice how i said its how he won the election and i said close and equal, made ZERO comments about just bringing races together in general, fail
I said this because Obama got 43% of the white voter turn out, a percentage not surpassed in 28 years

then you said this awesome statement that nobody backed up

A bit off subject but Obama didn't get elected by bringing races together. Even I was tempted to vote for him just because he was black and I thought it would be a good thing for America too have a black pres, in the end though I couldn't stomach his policies. It wasn't Obama that brought the races together in the polls, it was strictly his color, it could have been any black man.

next time be honest, facts defeat you again

nobody supported this because they are educated to know flava flav never wins the presidency and if you need better examples than that they also know AL sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Allen west and Herman cain would have got their clocks cleaned if they ran. would have lost in landslides.

Ill be looking forward to the actual poll
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

And this is why the right will continue fail at attracting minorities. They still see talking about race as "injecting race into things" rather than acknowledging the reality. Democrats and Obama are not perfect, but at least more of them acknowledge the reality that many non-whites face.

The right will continue to fail at attracting minorities because it's much less palatable to tell people to take responsibility for themselves as opposed to giving them something for nothing, telling them that it's someone else's fault, and removing anything close to personal responsibility or accountability.

Look at yourself - all you do is shirk responsibility, complain, and blame "the man". You're not interested in empowering other blacks. You're interested in telling them who to blame.

This is why Sharpton is a standing joke to anyone with a triple digit IQ.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

It was a racially charged event. His Dept of Justice prosecuted the officers on Civil rights violations.....


Bwahaha...so racism didn't exist in "real life" in the past 100 years? I guess the Jim Crow south was communist propaganda.



Bizarre you quote Hoover on race. He also believed the Civil rights movement was a communist plot. They threatened MLK on multiple occasions and tried to black mail him. Seems like your kind of guy....


Yeah...I'm the one in denial!


President Bush I, " If I had a son, he would look like Reginald Denny....." LMFAO

:lamo
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

A smarter strategy might be believing in one's positions without regards to attracting a particular block...
The implication of your comment is that acknowledging racial issues has to be a "strategy." It doesn't have to be and it shouldn't be. Everyone should want to acknowledge racial issues because everyone should want to acknowledge reality. That conservatives don't tend to acknowledge those particular realities is a sign of their weakness.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

The implication of your comment is that acknowledging racial issues has to be a "strategy." It doesn't have to be and it shouldn't be. Everyone should want to acknowledge racial issues because everyone should want to acknowledge reality. That conservatives don't tend to acknowledge those particular realities is a sign of their weakness.

I'm dealing in reality, not implications...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Okay, we can disagree. But answer this please. What are we to do? Wait until the right agrees that something is racial before speaking up. If we did that there would still be separate bathrooms and water fountains.

Who put that in your mind? Academia, your parents?

I'm Conservative and don't believe in any of that. Nor do most people I know.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Well said! Obama himself has done very little to affect race relations. But his presence has made the racists shout a whole lot louder and better illuminated already existing race problems.

yes this

the normal people are still normal if not closer

the bigots on both sides just crying every chance they get
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

In a country where people still hate and fear blacks, especially black men, how exactly was he supposed to bring us together? Even before he was elected the overt racists here were screaming for his head. What he eventually has to do, in high profile race cases, is make some sort of statement. That's not inserting himself, and I'm quite sure that's the last thing he wants to have to do.

We are still a racist country. Obama can't fix that and frankly, that's not his job either.
Racist country? For real? Please.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

I'm dealing in reality, not implications...

The reality is that politics is about coalition building...which means addressing the concerns of different factions withing your base. If you think that the Republican party doesn't pander to old white folks in this nation you're crazy. The only difference between their pandering now and 30 years ago is that demographic won't be enough to win elections in the near future.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

I'm dealing in reality, not implications...
Great. I'm talking about the fact that conservatives tend to not acknowledge the reality of racial issues of this country. I'm not sure how you think the above relates to that, but it seems pretty irrelevant.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

It was a racially charged event. His Dept of Justice prosecuted the officers on Civil rights violations.....


Bwahaha...so racism didn't exist in "real life" in the past 100 years? I guess the Jim Crow south was communist propaganda.



Bizarre you quote Hoover on race. He also believed the Civil rights movement was a communist plot. They threatened MLK on multiple occasions and tried to black mail him. Seems like your kind of guy....


Yeah...I'm the one in denial!
Here's another:

In the book A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, published in 1913 by Israel Cohen of the Fabian Society (a follow-up to Zangwill's play The Melting Pot), he wrote:

"We must realize that our Party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races, that for centuries have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party ... In America, we will aim for subtle victory.

While inflaming the Negro minority against the Whites, we will instill in the Whites a guilt complex for the exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negroes will be able to intermarry with the Whites, and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

And another:

In 1922, the Russian Comintern provided $300,000 for the spreading of communist propaganda among Negroes. In 1925, the Communist Party U.S.A. told its members:

"The aim of our Party in our work among the Negro masses is to create a powerful proletarian movement which will fight and lead the struggle of the Negro race against the exploitation and oppression in every form and which will be a militant part of the revolutionary movement of the whole American working class ... and connect them with the struggles of national minorities and colonial peoples of all the world and thereby the cause of world revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat."

What they heck are people on the Right suppose to think about this? These are the words of your party.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

The reality is that politics is about coalition building...which means addressing the concerns of different factions withing your base. If you think that the Republican party doesn't pander to old white folks in this nation you're crazy. The only difference between their pandering now and 30 years ago is that demographic won't be enough to win elections in the near future.

No, this is what it has become, but politics is about ideas and principles. My guess is that you might be too young to remember this...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Great. I'm talking about the fact that conservatives tend to not acknowledge the reality of racial issues of this country. I'm not sure how you think the above relates to that, but it seems pretty irrelevant.

What are these racial issues?
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

The reality is that politics is about coalition building...which means addressing the concerns of different factions withing your base. If you think that the Republican party doesn't pander to old white folks in this nation you're crazy. The only difference between their pandering now and 30 years ago is that demographic won't be enough to win elections in the near future.

Republicans pander to people who are interested in looking within themselves for change and progress. This tends to cater to the financially established (i.e. "old white folks"). Now, when it comes to social change, Republicans are less interested in change and progress.

Democrats pander to people who have a mob mentality, who look for someone to blame, and who look to get everything while doing nothing. They're a party of smoke and mirrors.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

What are these racial issues?
1. The extent of racial discrimination in housing, the justice system, education and almost every other aspect of our society. (Conservatives often just straight up ignore this reality.)

2. The experiences non-white Americans have with racism, prejudice and racial ignorance. (Conservatives usually dismiss attempts to talk about those realities by calling them "race baiting" or "pulling the race card.")

3. The influence of historical and current racial inequality on lack of education, crime and other problems in the black population. (Conservatives usually dismiss discussions about this reality by calling it an "excuse" and pointing to "a lack of personal responsibility".)
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

What they heck are people on the Right suppose to think about this? These are the words of your party.

I'm not nor have I ever been a member of the Communist party...that's usually what you conservatives like to hear right?

In the book A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, published in 1913 by Israel Cohen of the Fabian Society (a follow-up to Zangwill's play The Melting Pot), he wrote:

"We must realize that our Party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races, that for centuries have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party ... In America, we will aim for subtle victory.

While inflaming the Negro minority against the Whites, we will instill in the Whites a guilt complex for the exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negroes will be able to intermarry with the Whites, and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

That is a ****ing hoax dude. It was a letter to the editor of the Washington Star. The Washington Star later apologized and said it was printed without verifying it's authenticity. It's Congressional record because a follow up by the Star read by a Rep from NY shows no Israel Cohen existed, and there was never a book with that title. It was used by a southern Mississippi Rep in a debate against the Civil Rights Act. Claiming that Civil rights was a communist plot was a common tactic by southern racist during the era. I'm hoping you posted that in ignorance!
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

1. The extent of racial discrimination in housing, the justice system, education and almost every other aspect of our society. (Conservatives often just straight up ignore this reality.)

2. The experiences non-white Americans have with racism, prejudice and racial ignorance. (Conservatives usually dismiss attempts to talk about those realities by calling them "race baiting" or "pulling the race card.")

3. The influence of historical and current racial inequality on lack of education, crime and other problems in the black population. (Conservatives usually dismiss discussions about this reality by calling it an "excuse" and pointing to "a lack of personal responsibility".)

Which party continues to harp on these issues as a basis to advance its agenda. You see, once race is removed from the equation, you then need to deal with the underlying issues...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

1. The extent of racial discrimination in housing, the justice system, education and almost every other aspect of our society. (Conservatives often just straight up ignore this reality.)

2. The experiences non-white Americans have with racism, prejudice and racial ignorance. (Conservatives usually dismiss attempts to talk about those realities by calling them "race baiting" or "pulling the race card.")

3. The influence of historical and current racial inequality on lack of education, crime and other problems in the black population. (Conservatives usually dismiss discussions about this reality by calling it an "excuse" and pointing to "a lack of personal responsibility".)

Subsidized housing benefits non-whites a hell of a lot more than whites, based on percentages. Justice is colorblind, and is only a consideration of crimes committed, not the race that committed them. Education is constantly addressed, but is shunned by poor minorities because liberals, by and large, refuse to help the disenfranchised to achieve personal responsibility.

It's not conservatives making excuses. It's you.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Republicans pander to people who are interested in looking within themselves for change and progress. This tends to cater to the financially established (i.e. "old white folks"). Now, when it comes to social change, Republicans are less interested in change and progress.

Democrats pander to people who have a mob mentality, who look for someone to blame, and who look to get everything while doing nothing. They're a party of smoke and mirrors.

Yeah...that's why they wanted to change social security for everyone UNDER 50. Because their base which is dominated by those nearing retirement want to take care of themselves and are financially established.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Okay, we can disagree. But answer this please. What are we to do? Wait until the right agrees that something is racial before speaking up. If we did that there would still be separate bathrooms and water fountains
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We'll never get rid of racism or other prejudice if we don't talk about it.

If I see something going on, or if I read or hear a comment that I believe is racist, bigoted, homophobic, or misogynistic I am going to call attention to it.

I will not ignore it, because that will not make it go away. If this upsets someone, that's their problem. I'm not going to shut up about these things because we need to talk about them in order to effect change and make the USA a better place for everyone that lives there.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Which party continues to harp on these issues as a basis to advance its agenda. You see, once race is removed from the equation, you then need to deal with the underlying issues...
Well, there is the point. All of the issues I listed are racial issues. To remove race from the equation is to not acknowledge reality. And that you, a conservative*, have the taken the position that race ought to be removed from the equation proves my point - that conservatives tend not to acknowledge the reality of racial issues. We've come full circle.

*You aren't a conservative so I'll apologize for assumption and amend that to "All of the issues I listed are racial issues. To remove race from the equation is to not acknowledge reality. Conservatives tend to do that as you are doing here. We've come full circle."
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

No, this is what it has become, but politics is about ideas and principles. My guess is that you might be too young to remember this...

How old are you? Unless you were voting in early colonial times coalitions and parties have always been a part of US politics. I guess you're from the glory years when the Republican party instituted the Southern Strategy to steal the Southern Coalition from the Democratic Party or Reagan pandered to the Evangelicals creating the "Reagan Democrat".
 
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