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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    President George H. W. Bush spoke out against the rioting, stating that "anarchy" would not be tolerated.

    Later, U.S. President George H.W. Bush addressed the country, denouncing "random terror and lawlessness", summarizing his discussions with Mayor Bradley and Governor Wilson, and outlining the federal assistance he was making available to local authorities. Citing the "urgent need to restore order", he warned that the "brutality of a mob" would not be tolerated, and he would "use whatever force is necessary". He then turned to the Rodney King case and a more moderate tone, describing talking to his own grandchildren and pointing to the reaction of "good and decent policemen" as well as civil rights leaders. He said he had already directed the Justice Department to begin its own investigation, saying that "grand jury action is underway today" and that justice would prevail.

    He was being presidential, not haphazardly commenting out of emotion.
    What the hell are you talking about??? Not sure how Bush's response to the riots is relevant. Are you saying Obama supports riots? That he called for riots? We're talking about Presidents making remarks on racially divisive issues.

    When Bush saw the video....
    Mr Bush said yesterday that the incident had shocked him. 'What I saw made me sick,' he told reporters. 'It's sickening to see the beating that was rendered. There's no way in my view to explain it away. It was outrageous.'
    After the officers were acquitted...

    "Viewed from outside the trial, it was hard to understand how the verdict could possibly square with the video. Those civil rights leaders with whom I met were stunned. And so was I and so was Barbara and so were my kids.

    Not sure what you're saying about the Clinton reaction over the riots as well....once again...your criticism was that apparently Presidents never made remarks about racial issues in America which is not true.

    I'm not going to argue over Clinton's remark with you. You can take pot shots and console your ego.

    Presidents have always talked about race and maybe that's uncomfortable for you to realize. That the rightwing has only cared when it comes from a black mans mouth.
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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I would like your thoughts on this. I believe I see the GOP use fear often to control and manipulate their members. This seems a little like to me like just another opportunity to do such a thing. Do you see any truth to either of those statements?
    For the most part, when I think of the GOP I don't think of it as what I think they do with respect to others but rather how they relate to and appear to me. I have never felt frightened or controlled by the GOP. I have felt disappointed.

    Within the GOP you have different groups and tiers from the grassroots to evangelicals to tea partiers to fiscal conservatives to the leadership. I have also felt some in the GOP either aren't very smart or they think I'm not very smart; I'm honestly not sure. And I've felt pandered to a whole lot especaially around election time but it doesn't work so I can't say I've felt manipulated. I'm just very puzzled that otherwise integellent people (I thought) honestly think ill fall hook line and sinker for anything they say as if they believe they're my only source for information and knowing how used car salesman they're being that I'd actually trust them as a reliable source. I don't k w if they think I'm dumb, easily influenced, don't think for myself or what. Pandering, which is to say I know good and well what the GOP stands for on a certain issue either officially or in its culture but trying to feed me a load of bull on it to try to get me to think differently, only causes me to distrust to panderers and hold the entire party to greater scrutiny.

    But fear, control and manipulation; not with me. Maybe with others, I haven't considered it. Now that you bring it up, maybe. In 2008 they would have had us think Barack Obama was practically a secret Al Qaeda operative, hates America but loves the terrorists who should be judged on his patriotism by his middle name and seen holding the same positions as the most disturbing people they can prove that he's met by virtue of the fact that they know each other.
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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well, the last president did what his Republican constituents do. He ignored racial issues and pretended they didn't exist. What you're calling "injecting" is simply acknowledging the existence of problems. I get why that's hard for a conservative to do, though. I'm sure you'd prefer to just go back to pretending that there are no problems, since most of them benefit you at the expensive of blacks and latinos.
    Attacking Conservative will do nothing to make your case. What Obama has done is not presidential and has created a larger racial divide in this country.

    I personally see it in the eyes and hear it in the words of Black Americans everywhere I go. Things have definitely changed for the worse.

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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I didn't realize I was being psychoanalyzed but, I've seen enough of this fool to do my own.

    Originally Posted by WCH
    "So injecting himself into issues that he and his followers gave racial overtones (Martin/Zimmerman, the 'professor', along with most issues his hit man Holder has been involved in, voting laws, gun running, not going after obvious voter intimidation, etc) has no effect?
    Let's be honest here."
    I think he had an obligation to speak up and make an effort to evolve a little understanding in those who could not see the racial overtones that many many people easily saw. Stating that he "injected" himself and that he and his "followers" created those racial overtones denies the legitimacy of those who recognized the racial dimensions complaints. You deny their experience and turn them into nothing more than media puppets. Are they only worth listening too if they support what YOU think? I think he was reaching out in an effort to keep peace and aid us in moving forward.

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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Except when it's Bush II's fault.
    Okay....
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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    What the hell are you talking about??? Not sure how Bush's response to the riots is relevant. Are you saying Obama supports riots? That he called for riots? We're talking about Presidents making remarks on racially divisive issues.

    When Bush saw the video....

    After the officers were acquitted...




    Not sure what you're saying about the Clinton reaction over the riots as well....once again...your criticism was that apparently Presidents never made remarks about racial issues in America which is not true.

    I'm not going to argue over Clinton's remark with you. You can take pot shots and console your ego.

    Presidents have always talked about race and maybe that's uncomfortable for you to realize. That the rightwing has only cared when it comes from a black mans mouth.
    Those words from Bush you wrote had nothing to do with race...nothing. He never mentioned the race or color of those involved AT ALL!

    Racism is born, bred, manifested and metastasized in the mind of a Leftist and has been a tenet of Communism for more than 100 years.

    The former FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, said of the Communist goals:

    "Communists seek to advance the cause of communism by injecting themselves into racial situations and in exploiting them, (1) to intensify the frictions between Negroes and Whites to 'prove' that discrimination against the minorities is an inherent defect of the capitalistic system, (2) to foster domestic disunity by dividing Negroes and Whites into antagonistic, warring factions, (3) to undermine and destroy established authority, (4) to incite racial strife and riotous activity, and (6) to portray the Communist movement as the 'champion' of social protest and the only force capable of ameliorating the conditions of the Negro and the oppressed."

    You and that DHS employee can now go into complete denial. 8)

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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    And I've felt pandered to a whole lot especaially around election time but it doesn't work so I can't say I've felt manipulated. I'm just very puzzled that otherwise integellent people (I thought) honestly think ill fall hook line and sinker for anything they say as if they believe they're my only source for information and knowing how used car salesman they're being that I'd actually trust them as a reliable source. I don't k w if they think I'm dumb, easily influenced, don't think for myself or what.

    On this point, I think many people either do not have the time, inclination or intelligence to sift through all the BS that is thrown at them especially during an election because of this they tend to be more emotionally led it seems. Fear being an easy emotion to target, I believe it is used often. (Think GW and 911 for instance and how it was used. Anyway...I digress. ) If you think for yourself and do not get swept away in the emotion you are a minority and it makes sense that you would find tactics used to appeal to the lowest common denominator offensive. I don't think they believe YOU are stupid or easily led, but I do believe they think that of the majority of voters and it is sadly true. Just my opinion.

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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think he had an obligation to speak up and make an effort to evolve a little understanding in those who could not see the racial overtones that many many people easily saw. Stating that he "injected" himself and that he and his "followers" created those racial overtones denies the legitimacy of those who recognized the racial dimensions complaints. You deny their experience and turn them into nothing more than media puppets. Are they only worth listening too if they support what YOU think? I think he was reaching out in an effort to keep peace and aid us in moving forward.
    This is where we disagree. Sorry. The Left MUST turn everything to something racial to please their base.

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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    First Rule of Race Relations in America: It's always the black guy's fault. Thus, Obama has made things worse.
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    Re: Has obama brought the races together

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    This is where we disagree. Sorry. The Left MUST turn everything to something racial to please their base.
    Okay, we can disagree. But answer this please. What are we to do? Wait until the right agrees that something is racial before speaking up. If we did that there would still be separate bathrooms and water fountains.

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