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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I wanted to vote France.
    Or Greece.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Or Greece.
    Actually Greece is a pretty good pick. They wouldn't knock off the U.S., but their contribution is incredibly under-appreciated. It's quite possible we would have lost the USSR without them.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

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    You've been watching "The Devil's Brigade" again?
    Nope. It was either Canada or Romania.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually Greece is a pretty good pick. They wouldn't knock off the U.S., but their contribution is incredibly under-appreciated. It's quite possible we would have lost the USSR without them.
    Too true.



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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Or Greece.
    The Greeks don't get the respect they deserve. My late grandfather was an artillery captain with the AEA in France 1917-1918. He earned several major decorations by both the US and the French. After the war, he became quite the student of military history, especially WWI and then WWII. He had a study full of books about the two wars and several photographs and paintings on the wall. One had a black and white picture of several men on a mountain pass lining up an old French 75 on a German tank down below-another tank was disabled. The caption noted that while the artillery the greeks had was old, they were good shots and ferocious mountain fighters who racked up heavy casualties upon the Germans and their bulgarian and italian allies



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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    If the British sued for peace after Dunkirk, and especially if the Wehrmacht had successfully invaded Britain, there would have been a complete German victory in Europe. It's possible that the Royal Navy fleet could have fallen into German hands in the event of a British capitulation and could then have been used against the U.S Navy. It's very unlikely that the U.S would have been able to launch an amphibious invasion of continental Europe without Britain as a staging point.

    Instead of being tied down in North Africa, hundreds of thousands of additional Axis troops could have been deployed to Russia in 1941, most likely resulting in a Soviet defeat. Hitler was also forced to delay Operation Barbarossa because the presence of British troops in Greece threatened Germany's southeastern flank. Hitler had intended to launch the invasion of the Soviet Union months before June of 1941, but the Greek campaign forced him to postpone it. This meant, of course, that the Wehrmacht was forced to face the brutal Soviet winter.

    British scientists were also crucial in the development of the atomic bomb and in breaking German codes. This is often ignored by those who think the U.S won the war single-handed. It's also wishful thinking that the U.S could have brought Germany to its knees with long-ranch bombing. Without the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe would have been significantly stronger and able to fend off American bombers.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    If the British sued for peace after Dunkirk, and especially if the Wehrmacht had successfully invaded Britain, there would have been a complete German victory in Europe. It's possible that the Royal Navy fleet could have fallen into German hands in the event of a British capitulation and could then have been used against the U.S Navy. It's very unlikely that the U.S would have been able to launch an amphibious invasion of continental Europe without Britain as a staging point.

    Instead of being tied down in North Africa, hundreds of thousands of additional Axis troops could have been deployed to Russia in 1941, most likely resulting in a Soviet defeat. Hitler was also forced to delay Operation Barbarossa because the presence of British troops in Greece threatened Germany's southeastern flank. Hitler had intended to launch the invasion of the Soviet Union months before June of 1941, but the Greek campaign forced him to postpone it. This meant, of course, that the Wehrmacht was forced to face the brutal Soviet winter.

    British scientists were also crucial in the development of the atomic bomb and in breaking German codes. This is often ignored by those who think the U.S won the war single-handed. It's also wishful thinking that the U.S could have brought Germany to its knees with long-ranch bombing. Without the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe would have been significantly stronger and able to fend off American bombers.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Kind of a loaded question, because every Ally was crucial in winning the war. Theoretically, for the purpose of discussion, I'd have to go with Russia (there was no USSR during WW2), because if Germany hadn't backstabbed Stalin, and Russia hadn't tied up German troops, we very well might have lost. We most certainly would have lost if Russia had joined the Axis.
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    Tough to vote for Russia since they were allied with Germany--non-aggression pact, simultaneous invasion of Poland-- even though, as you correctly point out, Hitler turned on them.
    The UK stood strong, but US entry meant Hitler was doomed.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

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    there was no USSR during WW2
    Yes, there was. The Soviet Union was formed in 1922.
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    Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    The UK. They were positioned in every corner of the globe to fight all Axis members from the start and had incredible imperial manpower from Canada to India. If they're not there the Eurasian continent is dominated by the Axis in no time, with a supply of resources from Moscow to Mecca that would bring the Americas to their knees later (economically if not militarily) in the century.

    You can't take out any component really. Without the Soviets the UK gets occupied, the above happens and the US can't liberate Europe. Without the US there's no industrial capacity to support the British Empire earl on, the Japanese help make the USSR collapse all the quicker and there's no coup de grace of an atom bomb.

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