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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    (there was no USSR during WW2), .
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Stalin's war effort might've very well faltered if it were not for the resources provided by the United States' lend-lease program. Likewise, Japan could've wreaked some pretty serious havoc in Siberia if we had not been around to keep their forces otherwise occupied.

    Ultimately, the Allied war effort in Europe could be looked upon as being a "hammer and anvil" sort of situation. The USSR played the role of the anvil, keeping the brunt of German forces locked in place, while the US and UK played the part of the hammer, coming in to slam them from behind.

    Taken individually, neither element is especially effective. In combination, however; they are devastating.
    The Soviet Union had a death toll of anywhere between 22-30 million during WW2, primarily military deaths. The USA and UK combined was less than 1 million deaths. I say again that without Soviet involvement on the side of the Allies, we would not have won that war. It's my opinion.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The Soviet Union had a death toll of anywhere between 22-30 million during WW2, primarily military deaths. The USA and UK combined was less than 1 million deaths. I say again that without Soviet involvement on the side of the Allies, we would not have won that war. It's my opinion.
    yeah sending thousands of unarmed men charging German machine guns was a good way to run up the body count.

    worst case scenario-the Nazis overrun England. They didn't have enough men to really control all of the USSR. Meaning we wouldn't have had a base from which to Bomb Germany until we developed the B-29

    but we would have, and then we would have bombed Germany into submission. We pretty well took out Japan on our own



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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    The USSR was the only nation capable of defeating the Nazis. The U.S. was the only nation capable of defeating Japan. These facts are easily backed up if you look at the break down of which nation caused the various losses suffered by the Axis.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The USSR was the only nation capable of defeating the Nazis. The U.S. was the only nation capable of defeating Japan. These facts are easily backed up if you look at the break down of which nation caused the various losses suffered by the Axis.
    we ultimately would have beat the Nazis if Russia had remained neutral

    too many men, too many factories



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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    USSR is #1 in my choice then #2 is the US.


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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Well?
    The United States. Primarily because it was the only nation truly fighting the Japanese while also engaging in the war against Germany and Italy.

    The Russians never engaged the Japanese until they were already about to surrender, and then only to get a share of the spoils in the east.

    The British were fighting a holding action on both fronts. There never would have been a victory in Africa, or Italy, or a Normandy Invasion without the USA. Stalin kept begging the USA to open a second front in Europe to take the pressure off and we did first in Africa, then Italy and finally France.

    Without the USA in Europe, who knows what the outcome would have been. Without the USA in Asia, the Japs would have won.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Hmm...

    I think the USA would have eventually won without the help of Russia or the UK, or for that matter any other allies - the industrial capacity we had toward the end of the war was insane.

    But without Russia keeping a vast number of German forces busy on that front, and without the UK holding their island as long as they did to provide a forward base, it would have probably lasted into the late 40s and/or early 50s.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    As many have pointed out, it took all three to win. If I was going to make a "most important", I would probably go with England, though it is by a very small margin. If they had folded early, as was very possible, then Germany gets it all. The Soviets would have fallen to the more concentrated attacks from Germany, there would have been no staging area for a US landing in Europe(or at least not nearly as good) and any attempted landing to open up a second front would have been almost certain to fail. Without the US in the war, there are routes to victory, though they are small and very unlikely. Likewise without the Soviets. Without England however, no route to victory.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As many have pointed out, it took all three to win. If I was going to make a "most important", I would probably go with England, though it is by a very small margin. If they had folded early, as was very possible, then Germany gets it all. The Soviets would have fallen to the more concentrated attacks from Germany, there would have been no staging area for a US landing in Europe(or at least not nearly as good) and any attempted landing to open up a second front would have been almost certain to fail. Without the US in the war, there are routes to victory, though they are small and very unlikely. Likewise without the Soviets. Without England however, no route to victory.

    how would have Germany launched a successful attack against us. By 43 our submarines were far superior to theirs, our destroyers far more able to take out UBoats, and our heavy bombers were much much better than theirs. The one thing they had was Jets but those had very limited range. we also had far better radar and (while lots of people don't know this) the infra red weapons sight technology was a huge advantage-infrared equipped small arms inflicted a huge number of casualties upon the Japanese on Okinawa for example and neither the Germans nor the Japanese had any real effective countermeasures for the P61 Black Widow fighters



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