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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    . If the USSR got the bomb before the US then maybe they could have got an unconditional surrender.
    Oh yes - and you would be separating rotten potatoes from half-rotten potatoes at some collective farm near Oakland, in the Soviet Socialist Republic of California. (South Korea would simply cease to exist; Stalinists have no use for hard-working, stubborn and proud people).

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    The UK. They were the pivot; they took the stand from the beginning, they persevered to the end. Not to diminish anybody else's contribution, but the Brits deserve the most recognition.

    (And - again, not to dismiss the enormous sacrifices the Russian people made during the war - but let's not forget how the war had started: with the Nazis and the Commies attacking Poland from two sides.

    The USSR (as the Stalinist political entity, not as a careless nickname for Russia) can take its "significance as an ally" and shove it "where the Sun doesn't shine", as they say in Russia (which means "Siberia", by the way).
    It is a toss up for me. I used to think, as an American, the USA. Now that I know more the UK contribution was huge.

    I say:
    1. USA or UK
    2. USSR

    They really won North Africa. They delayed the Germans invasion of Russia in Greece (which may have saved Russia), they were the real code breakers in Europe, the held off the Germans in the Battle of Britain, they secured the Middle East (Palestine and Iraq), they stopped the Japanese, with Indian help, in Burma, they destroyed the German Navy, they were integral in D-Day and the Western Front, they fought the Germans in Norway, they were the first to really set up a French Underground network, they were huge in the bombing of Germany... the UK was insanely important.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders are the most underappreciated heroes of the greatest drama of the 20th century.
    ...and they are really quick to point this out too.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

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    The Soviets. They won the war after all.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    On this Remembrance Day, I'll toss Canada into the mix - after losing over 60,000 soldiers in WW1 even though we were never attacked, we entered the fray very early, in support of our European friends, and lost another 40,000 soldiers in WW2.

    Canada isn't just a fair-weather friend and to this day, when travelling in Europe, people will thank Canadians for their ancestors' help in these two great conflicts.
    I don't know that any of that is important but they did bring us Canadian Bacon...
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

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    I don't know that any of that is important but they did bring us Canadian Bacon...
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is a toss up for me. I used to think, as an American, the USA. Now that I know more the UK contribution was huge.

    I say:
    1. USA or UK
    2. USSR .
    It is nowhere close to a toss-up for me - maybe because I am a Pole - even though I grew up in Moscow, Russia.

    USA, UK and the West in general had won the war - definitely. Poland just had swapped one brutal occupation regime for another. And Russia had fared even worse: it was forced to accept a triumph of some alien (Marxist) totalitarian madness, as the only alternative to an even more alien (Nazi) totalitarian madness.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    They would have swept through its continental holdings, though I agree that it would have taken them several decades at least to defeat Japan. They didn't have the air and naval power like the US
    They could have taken the continental holdings, including Korea, but they would have faced the same obstacle against Japan that Germany faced against England... the sea. The Soviets would have been just as incapable of projecting themselves across the Korea Straight as Germany was incapable of crossing the English Channel.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Oh yes - and you would be separating rotten potatoes from half-rotten potatoes at some collective farm near Oakland, in the Soviet Socialist Republic of California. (South Korea would simply cease to exist; Stalinists have no use for hard-working, stubborn and proud people).
    Probably, but now we're in alternate history territory, and I'm sorry for even suggesting a world where USSR got the bomb before the US. From what I understand the Soviets only got there's by stealing American secrets, so if the US had never made one the USSR probably wouldn't have either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    It is nowhere close to a toss-up for me - maybe because I am a Pole - even though I grew up in Moscow, Russia.

    USA, UK and the West in general had won the war - definitely. Poland just had swapped one brutal occupation regime for another. And Russia had fared even worse: it was forced to accept a triumph of some alien (Marxist) totalitarian madness, as the only alternative to an even more alien (Nazi) totalitarian madness.
    Wasn't Russia totalitarian well before the war?

    You do raise a good point, though, which is effectively WWII didn't really end for Eastern Europe in 1945, at least not with a return to normalcy; it just blended into the tyranny of the USSR for the next 50 years.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    It is nowhere close to a toss-up for me - maybe because I am a Pole - even though I grew up in Moscow, Russia.

    USA, UK and the West in general had won the war - definitely. Poland just had swapped one brutal occupation regime for another. And Russia had fared even worse: it was forced to accept a triumph of some alien (Marxist) totalitarian madness, as the only alternative to an even more alien (Nazi) totalitarian madness.
    The USSR was totalitarian as of the 1920's and certainly after Stalin took control in '24 (or whenever that was). And Poland was independent prior to WWII
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