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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Well?
    Your poll left out Canada which makes your poll not worth considering.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry, not quite correct:

    Britain Declares War On Germany, 1939

    There was a mutual assistance agreement between Britain and Poland in the event either was attacked, but it still required a declaration of war which both France and the UK did on September 3, 1939, two days after Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

    Hitler believed they would back down and not go to war over Poland. He did not want war with either, at least not then.
    Czechoslovakia had similar assurances, and were sold out at the conference table. A treaty goes only as far as the countries are willing to honor it. Yes, they honored it, but only because the inevitable truth had at that point become undeniable.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your poll left out Canada which makes your poll not worth considering.
    Who?


















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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Who?

    The country that saved the UK's ass long enough to let the US get off its and join the fray at the end.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    I voted USSR as "most important" because they carried the lion's share of the load as far as military casualties go, especially with respect to the population size. They also had an important role in both the European and Pacific theaters of the war. Even after two bombs were dropped on Japan, the Japanese were considering not surrendering unconditionally until the Soviets jumped in.

    But the idea of "most important" is a little absurd. All parties listed were needed. If there's any one thing that could make me pick one, it's simply the amount of people lost during fighting.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    If it were which country would have the best shot at defeating Germany one on one, I'd say the U.S.. We simply had the will, character, and resources like no one else.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    If it were which country would have the best shot at defeating Germany one on one, I'd say the U.S.. We simply had the will, character, and resources like no one else.
    The will and character to sit out the first two years.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    He's not wrong that the USSR bled the Axis white. Remember that the USSR destroyed more Axis divisions then everyone else combined. They paid dearly for it, but if those divisions were instead fighting in Italy, Africa or Western Europe, the war would have gone very different. What likely cost Hitler the war was attacking the USSR, and especially getting bogged down during winter. If the US had to pour more resources into Europe to deal with the divisions otherwise destroyed by the USSR, the Pacific and Africa theaters would have been also quite different. In many ways, the Allies owe the millions of Russians who died wearing down the Nazis a debt of gratitude. I agree with zstep18 that the allies probably couldn't have won the war without the USSR. The damage inflicted to the Nazi was immense. But at the same time, the USSR needed US war material to do just that.
    And that goes both ways... if Hitler wasn't dealing with Allied shipping, the British in North Africa then Italy and the Balkans or the divisions tied up waiting for the impending invasion then those could have been used against the USSR and if Germany had attacked just a month or two earlier the USSR would have been knocked out of the war that year. While the Allies PROBABLY could not have won the war without the USSR the Allies WOULD NOT have won the war with out the USA.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    The U.S. was attacked. Then what string of legendary battles and feats of mind blowing production and ingenuity happened?



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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And that goes both ways... if Hitler wasn't dealing with Allied shipping, the British in North Africa then Italy and the Balkans or the divisions tied up waiting for the impending invasion then those could have been used against the USSR
    Would it have mattered? The Nazis threw huge numbers of men and material against the Soviets, and they still lost. The USSR showed complete willingness to take ridiculous causalities to stop the Nazi. Plus, more troops cannot fight General Winter. There is no question in my mind that the sheer number of troops the Axis lost in the Soviet Theater was absolutely key to the war. Russians spilled more Axis blood then everyone else combined. Also remember that many of the soldiers in West Europe were badly trained conscripts. I doubt they would have made a difference being thrown against the Russians.

    [quote]and if Germany had attacked just a month or two earlier the USSR would have been knocked out of the war that year.[/qiuote]

    Possibly. Hitler made a bad timing error there. Praise Comrade General Winter!

    While the Allies PROBABLY could not have won the war without the USSR the Allies WOULD NOT have won the war with out the USA.
    It's more complicated than that. Could we have won the war without Battleship England? I doubt it. We needed the USSR and the UK and they needed us.
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