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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    How badly would it have ended without Britain or Russia?
    It wouldn't have STARTED without Britain and Russia. You think Germany planned to invade the USA in 1939??? LOL

    Hitler's mistake was thinking that if he declared war on the USA the Japanese would declare war on Russia. Unlike Hitler, the Japanese were smart enough to know they already had their hands full with China, Great Britain and the USA. They never declared war on Russia, and Stalin only did when the war in the West was won so he could claim some spoils in the East.

    I believe that if Hitler had not declared war, the USA would have focused only on Japan and left Europe alone. Be glad he was that stupid.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    The most important US allied member of WWII was God...

    I received this in an email. I know believers can relate to this message.

    From "Reflections on Pearl Harbor "
    by Admiral Chester Nimitz.

    Sunday, December 7th, 1941--Admiral Chester Nimitz was attending a
    concert in Washington D.C.
    He was paged and told there was a phone call for him.
    When he answered the phone,
    it was President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
    on the phone. He told Admiral Nimitz that he
    (Nimitz) would now be the Commander
    of the Pacific Fleet.

    Admiral Nimitz flew to Hawaii to assume command of the Pacific Fleet.
    He landed at Pearl Harbor on Christmas Eve, 1941.
    There was such a spirit of despair, dejection and defeat
    --you would have thought the Japanese had already won the war.
    On Christmas Day, 1941, Adm. Nimitz was given a boat tour of the
    destruction wrought on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese.
    Big sunken battleships and navy vessels cluttered the waters
    every where you looked.

    As the tour boat returned to dock,
    the young helmsman of the boat asked,
    "Well Admiral, what do you
    think after seeing all this destruction?"
    Admiral Nimitz's reply shocked
    everyone within the sound of his voice.

    Admiral Nimitz said, "The Japanese made three of the biggest mistakes
    an attack force could ever make, or God was taking care of America .
    Which do you think it was?"

    Shocked and surprised, the young helmsman asked,
    "What do mean by saying the Japanese made the three biggest
    mistakes an attack
    force ever made?" Nimitz explained:

    Mistake number one :
    the Japanese attacked on Sunday morning.
    Nine out of every ten crewmen of those ships were ashore on leave.
    If those same ships had been lured to sea
    and been sunk--we would have lost
    38,000 men instead of 3,800.

    Mistake number two :
    when the Japanese saw all those battleships lined in a row,
    they got so carried away sinking those battleships,
    they never once bombed our dry docks opposite those ships.
    If they had destroyed our
    dry docks, we would have had to tow every one of those
    ships to America to be repaired.
    As it is now, the ships are in shallow water and can be raised.
    One tug can pull them over to the dry docks,
    and we can have them repaired and at sea by the time
    we could have towed them to America .
    I already have crews ashore anxious to man those ships.

    Mistake number three:
    Every drop of fuel in the Pacific theater of war is in top of the
    ground storage tanks five miles away over that hill.
    One attack plane could have strafed those
    tanks and destroyed our fuel supply.

    That's why the Japanese made three of the biggest
    mistakes an attack force could make
    or, God was taking care of America .
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Revisionist history is in people giving them more credit, and sometimes all the credit, just as you basically did.

    Also, this is the most important Allied member of WORLD WAR II... not just of the European battlefield.
    He's not wrong that the USSR bled the Axis white. Remember that the USSR destroyed more Axis divisions then everyone else combined. They paid dearly for it, but if those divisions were instead fighting in Italy, Africa or Western Europe, the war would have gone very different. What likely cost Hitler the war was attacking the USSR, and especially getting bogged down during winter. If the US had to pour more resources into Europe to deal with the divisions otherwise destroyed by the USSR, the Pacific and Africa theaters would have been also quite different. In many ways, the Allies owe the millions of Russians who died wearing down the Nazis a debt of gratitude. I agree with zstep18 that the allies probably couldn't have won the war without the USSR. The damage inflicted to the Nazi was immense. But at the same time, the USSR needed US war material to do just that.
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    Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    It wouldn't have STARTED without Britain and Russia. You think Germany planned to invade the USA in 1939??? LOL

    Hitler's mistake was thinking that if he declared war on the USA the Japanese would declare war on Russia. Unlike Hitler, the Japanese were smart enough to know they already had their hands full with China, Great Britain and the USA. They never declared war on Russia, and Stalin only did when the war in the West was won so he could claim some spoils in the East.

    I believe that if Hitler had not declared war, the USA would have focused only on Japan and left Europe alone. Be glad he was that stupid.
    Um what? The war would have started if the UK didn't declare war on them and let them have Eastern Europe. World War 2 didn't start with Britain and Russia declaring war on Germany. Japan had already been at war with China for many years and Hitler wanted to be BFFs with the UK.

    I'm thankful that hitler made that mistake, and also the mistake of declaring war on Russia, and also the UK being the ones to actually declare war on Germany.

    So how exactly does it go without Russia and the UK?

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    what no French option? Has to be said though wtf are China doing on this poll?
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    How badly would it have ended without Britain or Russia?
    That was the original comment you made that I opted to respond to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Um what? The war would have started if the UK didn't declare war on them and let them have Eastern Europe. World War 2 didn't start with Britain and Russia declaring war on Germany. Japan had already been at war with China for many years and Hitler wanted to be BFFs with the UK.

    I'm thankful that hitler made that mistake, and also the mistake of declaring war on Russia, and also the UK being the ones to actually declare war on Germany.

    So how exactly does it go without Russia and the UK?
    WWII started with Britain and France declaring war on Germany after Germany refused to stop the invasion of Poland. Russia got involved when Germany invaded in 1941. Then in December of 1941, a couple of days after Pearl Harbor, the Nazi idiot declared war on the USA.

    You were making a comment in opposition to the USA being the "most important ally." I was stating that the USA would not have been involved in a war in Europe at all, without a war already happening between the European Axis powers and the British and Russians.

    Had Hitler not declared war on the USA he would only have been facing the UK and Russia, and at the time the Germans were doing a fairly decent job of kicking both their asses.

    By declaring war on the USA he sealed his doom.
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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The Eastern Front was huge. The Battle of Stalingrad was the turning point in the war with Hitler. In purely military terms, the USSR would have beat Germany alone. The contribution of the USSR was huge just in the fact that Hitler decided to declare war on the USSR. If Hitler did not declare war on the USSR and if the USSR did not fight alongside the Allies, war in Europe would have been much, much more difficult for the United States. The USSR depleted Germany's resources and manpower. I don't think the Allies could have won without the USSR.

    I didn't realize it was 'revisionist' history to say that the USSR had a huge part in the Allies victory in World War 2.
    The Germans were woefully unprepared for the Russian Winter, which caused more casualties that first year than combat with Russian troops did. Since we are in "what-if" land, had Hitler stopped pussy-footing around with Britain (like not completing the attack on the BEF at Dunkirk, and failing to pursue an invasion of England) and thereby defeated the UK in 1941, he could have invaded Russia in 1942 and kicked Stalin's butt.

    Declaring war on the USA in 1941? Insanity that cost Germany the war.
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    Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    That was the original comment you made that I opted to respond to.



    WWII started with Britain and France declaring war on Germany after Germany refused to stop the invasion of Poland. Russia got involved when Germany invaded in 1941. Then in December of 1941, a couple of days after Pearl Harbor, the Nazi idiot declared war on the USA.

    You were making a comment in opposition to the USA being the "most important ally." I was stating that the USA would not have been involved in a war in Europe at all, without a war already happening between the European Axis powers and the British and Russians.

    Had Hitler not declared war on the USA he would only have been facing the UK and Russia, and at the time the Germans were doing a fairly decent job of kicking both their asses.

    By declaring war on the USA he sealed his doom.
    No, the war started with Germany invading Poland. The UK didn't have to declare war on Germany. In fact if they didn't, Germany would have free reign over Eastern Europe and the Jewry, Slavs and Roma therein. Hitler may still be a doddery Chancellor of Germany. So his fate was sealed when the Brits declared war on Germany. All the other options in the poll waited for declarations of war made against them.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Russia, no question. They get none of the fanfare of the US, though they're almost exclusively responsible for turning the tide. They kicked Hitler back the **** across the border and trashed the mighty German war juggernaut almost single-handedly.

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    Re: Most Important Allied Member of WWII

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    No, the war started with Germany invading Poland. The UK didn't have to declare war on Germany. In fact if they didn't, Germany would have free reign over Eastern Europe and the Jewry, Slavs and Roma therein. Hitler may still be a doddery Chancellor of Germany. So his fate was sealed when the Brits declared war on Germany. All the other options in the poll waited for declarations of war made against them.
    Sorry, not quite correct:

    Britain Declares War On Germany, 1939

    There was a mutual assistance agreement between Britain and Poland in the event either was attacked, but it still required a declaration of war which both France and the UK did on September 3, 1939, two days after Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

    Hitler believed they would back down and not go to war over Poland. He did not want war with either, at least not then.
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