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Would you consider voting for Dr. Ben Carson for president in 2016?

Would you vote for Dr Ben Carson for president in 2016?

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I like Carson, I just don't think he'd have a prayer. He's extremely intelligent and can deal with pressure. I'd have to study his politics a bit more first though.
 
American said:
I like Carson, I just don't think he'd have a prayer. He's extremely intelligent and can deal with pressure. I'd have to study his politics a bit more first though.
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It is imperative that we defeat the "Wicked witch" and we still have 3 years to study Carson.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't believe he as Redress portrays I don't care what she references.
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You drew the reference that he'd be like Obama in that regard. I just want to know why we'd want to make that mistake again.
 
American said:
I like Carson, I just don't think he'd have a prayer. He's extremely intelligent and can deal with pressure. I'd have to study his politics a bit more first though.
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I don't like the idea of someone with zero political experience suddenly becoming President. That's been half the problem with Obama, he has no idea how the sausage is made, so to speak. It's nice to have an agenda, but if you can't get it done in Congress it's just nice words.
 
It doesn't matter who the hell gets elected the pro-death crowd will still be dismembering babies in the womb past 16 weeks while teen pregnancy rates continue to climb, there will be lesbian navy seals getting married, the illegals will all get amnesty the deficit spending will continue as the gubbermints' intrusions into your life only increase exponentially. No kiddies the time to reverse these things at the ballot box has long since past.
 
rocket88 said:
You drew the reference that he'd be like Obama in that regard. I just want to know why we'd want to make that mistake again.
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You missed my point or maybe I did not make it clear.........If he was as Redress painted him then he would be a bleeding heart liberal like Obama is what I meant.
 
Navy Pride said:
You want to learn about him, watch his speeches.........The man is a true Conservative regardless how Redress try to paint him.
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Giving fancy speeches doesn't change the fact he would be grossly inexperienced in regards to governmental executive experience and in the realm of foreign policy. Furthermore, I'm not basing my views off him off what Redress has said...so far from all I've read of watched he seems to be staunchly Socially Conservative, and hasn't really fleshed out much of anything outside of that. Stances on Abortion and Gay Marriage are rather irrelevant to the bigger and legitimate issues facing us in terms of job creation, entitlement reform, our tax code, our debt and the deficit, size of government, national defense, immigration, the growing power of China, and energy independence.

On the vast majority of those he's said basically empty platitudes that he has outlined ZERO ideas to address (And has zero experience to judge how he'd address it) such as his views on the debt. On other things, like Gun Control, his statements are hardly "true conservative" in nature.

He's a woefully inexperienced social conservative with questionable history or stances in terms of every other facet of conservatism....hardly some shining light of a candidate. Perhaps that'll change in 3 years, though I don't see how he can do anything to fix his horrendous levels of experience...but as of now there's no way I'd feel comfortable casting a vote for him and saying "I trust this man to do good things for the country".
 
job creation: gubbermint doesn't create jobs
entitlement reform = more welfare for more people
our tax code, raise em
our debt? increase it
the deficit, at this point what does it matter?
size of government, can only grow
national defense, what's that?
immigration = amnesty
the growing power of China, that's a myth, last time it was Japan that was gonna bury us before that the soviets
energy independence That's impossible without Algore's wind-bag power and solyndra
 
Zyphlin said:
Giving fancy speeches doesn't change the fact he would be grossly inexperienced in regards to governmental executive experience and in the realm of foreign policy. Furthermore, I'm not basing my views off him off what Redress has said...so far from all I've read of watched he seems to be staunchly Socially Conservative, and hasn't really fleshed out much of anything outside of that. Stances on Abortion and Gay Marriage are rather irrelevant to the bigger and legitimate issues facing us in terms of job creation, entitlement reform, our tax code, our debt and the deficit, size of government, national defense, immigration, the growing power of China, and energy independence.

On the vast majority of those he's said basically empty platitudes that he has outlined ZERO ideas to address (And has zero experience to judge how he'd address it) such as his views on the debt. On other things, like Gun Control, his statements are hardly "true conservative" in nature.

He's a woefully inexperienced social conservative with questionable history or stances in terms of every other facet of conservatism....hardly some shining light of a candidate. Perhaps that'll change in 3 years, though I don't see how he can do anything to fix his horrendous levels of experience...but as of now there's no way I'd feel comfortable casting a vote for him and saying "I trust this man to do good things for the country".[/QUOTE

Sounds like Obama and we do have 3 years for him to bone up on the issues.. He is one man who potentially beat the "Wicked Witch" also.
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Navy Pride said:
Sounds like Obama
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And all through 2007 and 2008 one of my bigger issues with Obama was his severe lack of executive and foreign policy experience. If memory serves, that was one of your issues with him as well. Amazing how a person has a (R) Next to his name and talks about "The Gays" a bunch and suddenly that's not an issue for you.

You say he "sounds like Obama" in that regard. Are you suggesting Obama's experience was good? Are you suggesting that Obama's lack of experience didn't contribute to the way he's governed?

and we do have 3 years for him to bone up on the issues.
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"Bone up on issues"? One, that doesn't help the experience issue. READING and doing some "boning up" on issues is massively different than experience. Who do you trust to repair your car, someone whose "boned up" on how they work or a guy whose spent a decade actually WORKING on them? Two, if my Presidential candidate is so bereft of understanding, ideas, and stances on such basic important issues like national defense, job creation, and entitlement reform that 3 years out he's needing to do a crash course to be able to articulate a basic stance on those issues beyond the most basic of "hope and change" type of Rhetoric then I've got a ****ty candidate.

Sorry, it's not about "Beating the Wicked Witch", it's about using MY VOTE and MY VOICE and MY SUPPORT and MY PRINCIPLES to get behind someone who will make this country BETTER...not just some sack whose going to do a ****ty job, but hey he'll beat hillary so woo!
 
Zyphlin said:
And all through 2007 and 2008 one of my bigger issues with Obama was his severe lack of executive and foreign policy experience. If memory serves, that was one of your issues with him as well. Amazing how a person has a (R) Next to his name and talks about "The Gays" a bunch and suddenly that's not an issue for you.

You say he "sounds like Obama" in that regard. Are you suggesting Obama's experience was good? Are you suggesting that Obama's lack of experience didn't contribute to the way he's governed?



"Bone up on issues"? One, that doesn't help the experience issue. READING and doing some "boning up" on issues is massively different than experience. Who do you trust to repair your car, someone whose "boned up" on how they work or a guy whose spent a decade actually WORKING on them? Two, if my Presidential candidate is so bereft of understanding, ideas, and stances on such basic important issues like national defense, job creation, and entitlement reform that 3 years out he's needing to do a crash course to be able to articulate a basic stance on those issues beyond the most basic of "hope and change" type of Rhetoric then I've got a ****ty candidate.

Sorry, it's not about "Beating the Wicked Witch", it's about using MY VOTE and MY VOICE and MY SUPPORT and MY PRINCIPLES to get behind someone who will make this country BETTER...not just some sack whose going to do a ****ty job, but hey he'll beat hillary so woo!
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Lets get a couple of things straight. I don't like Obama and never have on any issue.......Number 2 I am not a Republican, I am a registered Independent and have voted for candidates of both parties......OK tell me at this early stage who are you leaning to.
 
Navy Pride said:
Lets get a couple of things straight. I don't like Obama and never have on any issue.......Number 2 I am not a Republican, I am a registered Independent and have voted for candidates of both parties......OK tell me at this early stage who are you leaning to.
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Let's get a couple of things straight. Number one, I know you don't like Obama and haven't on any issue, which is why it's laughable you keep referring to Obama as a means of excusing this guy's HORRENDOUS lack of experience that even looks bad next to a 2008 Obama. Number two, you claim to be an independent and that's fine and dandy. When it comes to the national scene and MY experience with you, I've never witnessed you make any statements of support for anyone OTHER than a Republican. So you may be a registered independent and you may claim to vote for non-Republicans, but based on my observation your opinions of people and what is good/bad is LARGELY based around whether or not they have a (D) or an (R). Furthermore, for someone whose HABITUALLY labelled me and others as his "left wing friend" despite not identifying as "left wing", you have a quite the nerve to bitch about people mislabeling you.

As to who I'm leaning to at this early stage...I'm not leaning to anyone, because it's 20-freaking-13. We're 2 years away from the Primaries and 3 years away from the Election. No one of any significant note has officially declared in any way shape or form for the 2016 election. If you want to give me a list of people you think MIGHT run I'd be happy to tell you who, at this very moment, I'd be potentially interested in voting on. But I'm not leaning towards anyone because there's no actual candidates as of yet. What more, there's 3 years of time for all sorts of different things to happen that change my opinion, for good or ill, about any given individual.

For example, had you asked me right after 2008's election if I would've supported Palin in 2012 I would've said yes. By 2011 she wasn't even a candidate AND I would've never cast my vote for her because she threw her lot in with the ignorant 9/11 truth-level douches in regards to the Birther movement. We have no clue whose going to run in 2-3 years, nor what the situation surrounding them will be at that time. So I'm not leaning towards anyone.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Let's get a couple of things straight. Number one, I know you don't like Obama and haven't on any issue, which is why it's laughable you keep referring to Obama as a means of excusing this guy's HORRENDOUS lack of experience that even looks bad next to a 2008 Obama. Number two, you claim to be an independent and that's fine and dandy. When it comes to the national scene and MY experience with you, I've never witnessed you make any statements of support for anyone OTHER than a Republican. So you may be a registered independent and you may claim to vote for non-Republicans, but based on my observation your opinions of people and what is good/bad is LARGELY based around whether or not they have a (D) or an (R). Furthermore, for someone whose HABITUALLY labelled me and others as his "left wing friend" despite not identifying as "left wing", you have a quite the nerve to bitch about people mislabeling you.

As to who I'm leaning to at this early stage...I'm not leaning to anyone, because it's 20-freaking-13. We're 2 years away from the Primaries and 3 years away from the Election. No one of any significant note has officially declared in any way shape or form for the 2016 election. If you want to give me a list of people you think MIGHT run I'd be happy to tell you who, at this very moment, I'd be potentially interested in voting on. But I'm not leaning towards anyone because there's no actual candidates as of yet. What more, there's 3 years of time for all sorts of different things to happen that change my opinion, for good or ill, about any given individual.

For example, had you asked me right after 2008's election if I would've supported Palin in 2012 I would've said yes. By 2011 she wasn't even a candidate AND I would've never cast my vote for her because she threw her lot in with the ignorant 9/11 truth-level douches in regards to the Birther movement. We have no clue whose going to run in 2-3 years, nor what the situation surrounding them will be at that time. So I'm not leaning towards anyone.
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Believe as you like I don't really care. It might horrify you to know that I agree with you on most Fiscal Issues...We just differ on the social ones.
 
Navy Pride said:
Believe as you like I don't really care. It might horrify you to know that I agree with you on most Fiscal Issues...We just differ on the social ones.
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That may be so, but those are also important and you're usually on the wrong side for the entirely wrong reason, at least IMO.
 
Cephus said:
That may be so, but those are also important and you're usually on the wrong side for the entirely wrong reason, at least IMO.
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As usual I have no clue to what you are implying...It does bug me a lot when Liberals are so ashamed of where they stand on the issues they pretend to be Conservatives. I don't usually argue with Conservatives but with you I will make and exception...Have great day.
 
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Navy Pride said:
As usual I have no clue to what you are implying...It does bug me a lot when Liberals are so ashamed of where they stand on the issues they pretend to be Conservatives. I don't usually argue with Conservatives but with you I will make and exception...Have great day.
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No, it disgusts me when lots of NEO-CONS are utterly unaware that they're not really conservatives and bear the label, while not walking the walk.
 
Navy Pride said:
As usual I have no clue to what you are implying...It does bug me a lot when Liberals are so ashamed of where they stand on the issues they pretend to be Conservatives. I don't usually argue with Conservatives but with you I will make and exception...Have great day.
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Almost as bad as Republicans who are ashamed to admit that they are Republican....
 
Navy Pride said:
Believe as you like I don't really care. It might horrify you to know that I agree with you on most Fiscal Issues...We just differ on the social ones.
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Nah, doesn't horrify me in the least. I don't generally base my feelings upon who agrees with me on issues or doesn't. If anything, I'm generally happy if someone feels the same way I do regardless of who or what ideology they are. I absolutely believe we agree on most fiscal issues....I just think we have some significant differences in regards to social issues, size and scope of government issues, and consistency of principles and their varying importance.
 
Navy Pride said:
Would you vote for him for president....Why or why not?
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No because he's proven to be an unsatisfying one trick pony. One speech at a National Prayer Breakfast followed by an MD next to your name does not make a qualified Presidential candidate in my book. Since then I haven't been impressed with much of what he's said as it's mostly been religious commentary or social conservative sermonizing. I also think he would be crushed in a Presidential primary and general election.
 
Navy Pride said:
Would you vote for him for president....Why or why not?
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Why is it every time a new face with a little charisma repeats the same tired truisms conservatives have been bleating at anyone who will listen shows up they treat him like some sort of prophet?

The fact a person would feel the need to throw these problems in Obama's face when they are mostly the fault of ordinary Americans and social elites suggests he isn't aware enough of the realities of power to make an effective leader.

America's "fiscal irresponsibility" is just an aspect of a larger and much more pervasive problem, which is reckless trade practices that empower American rivals and push ordinary Americans into poverty. The source of that problem is the unchecked power of social elites tempted by the potential of foreign markets to enlarge their personal fortunes.

The means of fixing it is to stop them influencing our tax or trade policies.
 
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sry navy boy this guy's claim to fame is just that he succinctly offered a clear headed alternative to Obamacare (one that would resolve the issue completely).
What this guy is good at is pediatric brain surgery
In fact when it comes to leading the free world, he's less qualified than Lt Col Alan West
and I wouldn't vote for him either. For the first time in my life, I didn't bother to vote in the last election
and see no need to ever vote again. Be advised you will never ever
be given a candidate that will stop or even slow this headlong rush towards totalitarianism we find ourselves on.
 
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