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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%
  • Total voters
    166
ChrisL said:
No. Everyone should vote no.
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Let me shed just a little more light on me, for you.

I am pro-military. But not the way it's defined by those that are anti-military.

I am pro-strength. But with strength comes responsibility, and more importantly restraint.

I am pro-military action. But only in the defense of the United States from an attacker, either response to an attack as a prohibitive response to a KNOWN threat; or in defense of the defenseless from aggression and/or genocide; or as response to assist our allies in the very few treaties that we are actually signatories to.

I am pro-Constitution. In that the power to declare War rests solely and squarely with the Congress of the United States, and just like any other member of the United States Armed Services, the Commander-in-Chief has a superior officer they must report to and follow their orders. That superior officer is the American People through their Representatives in the United States Congress.

I am pro-American Government regarding military actions. In that the United States is a Sovereign Nation and does not and must not subordinate that Sovereignty to any other country, or group(s) of countries (the UN).

I have many other pro's regarding the military, but I think you get the strong position upon which I stand regarding the military, and my fellow members of the All Volunteer Armed Forces, that every day, write a check to the American people, payable up to and including their life.
 
bah we've been fighting like madmen around the world since the end of world war two
I'm trying real hard to recall which engagements met your criteria Beaudreaux
 
apdst said:
Where the hell did that stupidity come from?
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The idea that Syria is about the US performing a global dick-measuring exercise is fairly self-explanatory. Stupidity is a good word for it, thank you.
 
It is reassuring to see over 85% of respondents here against intervention in Syria. And they seem to be joined in public opinion polls across the land. Have we learned nothing from Viet Nam and other more recent events? It seems that while politicians on both sides of the aisle have not learned properly, much of the American people have. And that is a good thing.
 
Ikari said:
We didn't invade Iran to get the hostages back, US and then Soviet Union fought many a proxy war in the 80's which netted nothing more than trained terrorists. 9/11 wasn't caused by backing down and our response has doubled the American loss, gotten us bogged down in over a decade of war which is still expanding, cost us over a trillion dollars, and done nothing to solve the problems that led to 9/11.

So do you have any actual examples?
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Starting with your examples: (1) We tried to invade Iran to get the hostages back, but Carter sent only a handful of helicopters that couldn't handle the sandstorm they ran into. (2) We fought proxy wars with the Soviet Union for over 40 years until Reagan finally came up with the strategy "We win, they lose" - and it worked, in spite of liberal opposition. (3) Clinton's feeble and half-hearted response to terrorist attacks, from Somalia to the USS Cole, did hearten the terrorists. See The Path to 9/11. (4) The so-called nation building efforts don't work when you think being liked is more important than being feared and respected. You can't be nicey-nicey to savages and expect positive results, but liberals don't seem to understand this.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Israel has expanded its borders after each try. You do realize that they have nukes, and if it comes down to their survival, they just might use them...
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Yep. During the darkest days of the 1973 war it did leak out that if they saw that the state would be lost, their last dying gasp would be to nuke the Aswan Dam. That may have had something to do with Sadat signing the peace treaty at Camp David, a treaty that has been honored ever since.
 
Sorry that I'm so busy, but I have kind of a question.
Didn't the US agree a long time ago to sign up to take action against any state that used 'chemical weapons' against anyone?
If so do we need to back out of that? Maybe we need to approve of chemical weapons used properly. Just a thought.
 
WCH said:
I think Putin is calling Obama's bluff and it's working.

They see the US as weak and vulnerable.
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Why does the US feel the need to be the strongest...??
 
wolfie said:
Why does the US feel the need to be the strongest...??
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Judging by the actions of the current Admin, that's not how we feel. The down-sizing, sequester, etc of the military has really hurt our ability to respond to situations around the world much less being able to carry out multiple engagements.

Russia, China, NK and Iran knows this.
 
WCH said:
Judging by the actions of the current Admin, that's not how we feel. The down-sizing, sequester, etc of the military has really hurt our ability to respond to situations around the world much less being able to carry out multiple engagements.

Russia, China, NK and Iran knows this.
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The whole world is waiting for America to intervene..the Brits have made their feelings known....

On our BBC news..the Syrians were sitting outside cafe's, drinking coffee.. looking up to the skies.saying ''The Americans are coming''

So they will be ok then..

It is not enough to kill a bee that stings you..you have to consider the rest of the hive...
 
wolfie said:
The whole world is waiting for America to intervene..the Brits have made their feelings known....

On our BBC news..the Syrians were sitting outside cafe's, drinking coffee.. looking up to the skies.saying ''The Americans are coming''

So they will be ok then..

It is not enough to kill a bee that stings you..you have to consider the rest of the hive...
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The world might be waiting but they're not listening to the calls for war.

Obama 'Appeared Isolated in St. Petersburg' at G20 Summit
 
WCH said:
The world might be waiting but they're not listening to the calls for war.

[url=http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/06/Reuters-O

That might be because the American public is as nonplussed as the British public..and refuse to play the Muslim''whack a mole''game anymore...

Help us..help us..

When will it finish?
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While gassing civilians is indeed horrific and a war crime, I have come to the conclusion that US involvement in the Syrian civil war is a lose-lose proposition.

The pragmatic problems with this stance are the very real risks of increased usage by the Syrian combatants or the capture of chem facilities/depots by militias such as Hezbollah and Al-Nusra.
 
Simpleχity;1062286784 said:
While gassing civilians is indeed horrific and a war crime, I have come to the conclusion that US involvement in the Syrian civil war is a lose-lose proposition.

The pragmatic problems with this stance are the very real risks of increased usage by the Syrian combatants or the capture of chem facilities/depots by militias such as Hezbollah and Al-Nusra.
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Horrors are committed in the Muslim world every day..life is cheap there..
 
TiredOfLife said:
Life is cheap everywhere, obviously.
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Yes..you are fighting on behalf of those gassed children...****ing tee hee..no interest in the oil then??
 
Simpleχity;1062286893 said:
Life is apparently cheap in Chicago also.
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Is Chicago bad??
 
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