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Rightwing nutballs mixed in with the hard core commies and every shade inbetween?
Sure, that sounds accurate enough. :lol:
Rightwing nutballs mixed in with the hard core commies and every shade inbetween?
Have you looked to Iraq? A place where we actually had boots on the ground and was very costly for us, and they seem to be falling back into their old ways again. You can't fix these problems with wars. Why can't you understand this? These wars bring more hatred and terrorism directed towards America. That is the only thing they really accomplish.
That is an incredibly naive and simplistic response to a very real and complicated issue. How would you suggest we do that? What you seem to want is for America to go over and take over the entire country. Nope, sorry that is NEVER going to happen again, especially under THIS president.
No, you don't get your message across very well. It seemed to me as if you were blaming the media for where our government chooses to take action or not. So then you didn't answer my question then. Why is our government interested in this atrocity and why is this one so much more important to YOU personally than any other atrocity? Why do you seem so adamant that WE take military actions, being that you admit this is far from the worst.
As I've stated NUMEROUS times now throughout this thread, we only get 20% at most of our oil from the Saudis. We don't purchase oil from Syria. We get most of OUR oil from Venezuela and Canada and here at home.
Again you miss the point completely. I give up on you now. I have tried to explain this relatively simple concept to you over and over, and you just aren't getting it. Whether it is ignorance or willful behavior on your part, I cannot say.
You aren't getting much from it because you either don't understand or you are being willfully ignorant about the points I've made, and you choose to ignore them.
If you want to remove me from your friends list, feel free. I really don't even know you, so I don't really care one way or another.
We are STILL in Afghanistan as we speak right now. Are you crazy or something? Why would we want ANOTHER war???? So we can send our children off to die for oil? You must be joking.
Well, I tried. Guess it did not worked out. Peace.
Well, given the vast amount of money, resources and personnel you dedicate to your military, if there is a war machine in existence, it's the US military, no?We are not a war machine.
I tend to agree, but if you're going to have such a vast force assembled and deployed beyond your borders, what do you think they're for? Why do you believe you need a military as large as the one you have? There's no imminent, clear or present danger to the safety, security and integrity of the USA, is there? If you are thinking of the threat of terrorism on US interests, it's your intelligence and black ops capacity that will deal most effectively with that; not your marines, land army or nuclear strike force.It just seems to me as if you are putting little value on the lives of our service men and women, as if their lives are expendable for causes that really don't concern us.
Well, given the vast amount of money, resources and personnel you dedicate to your military, if there is a war machine in existence, it's the US military, no?
I tend to agree, but if you're going to have such a vast force assembled and deployed beyond your borders, what do you think they're for? Why do you believe you need a military as large as the one you have? There's no imminent, clear or present danger to the safety, security and integrity of the USA, is there? If you are thinking of the threat of terrorism on US interests, it's your intelligence and black ops capacity that will deal most effectively with that; not your marines, land army or nuclear strike force.
Just because we have a big military doesn't mean we are responsible for anything beyond ourselves. I think your POV is ignorant as far as being attacked etc. You certainly cannot predict the future. Obama has made us look like weaklings. We are hurting financially. A lot of people would think the opposite because of these facts. We don't really care what you think about our military, and it's not really your business what we spend our money on. Perhaps you don't understand OUR Constitution, but THAT is one of the jobs of our federal government, unlike forcing citizens to purchase healthcare insurance. :roll:
make no sense juxtaposed. War machines do tend to sacrifice quite a lot of their own troops on their adventures. Losing 5000 people during the Iraq war makes the use of the expression more, not less apt.We are not a war machine. We lost over 5000 people during the Iraq war.
There's no need to be so defensive! (See what I did there?) You can spend your hard cash on what you like, but then you can't start getting hissy fits if observers start using terms like 'war machine' when you spend more than the rest of the western world combined on armaments. World opinion tends not to see the accumulation of more and more and more deadly military capacities as the behaviour of a peace-loving nation. But then, since when has American opinion cared much for world opinion? I don't understand why you take offence. These two statements:
make no sense juxtaposed. War machines do tend to sacrifice quite a lot of their own troops on their adventures. Losing 5000 people during the Iraq war makes the use of the expression more, not less apt.
The fact is, I believe that most Americans are peace-loving, but your military, political class and corporations very definitely are not. I just wish the inclinations and opinions of most Americans carried more weight than they clearly do.
So are 'war machines'. Genghis Khan's war machine was made of nothing but people and horses. Yours is made up of people and matériel; quite a lot of matériel, as a matter of fact.Your opinions don't change the facts. Sorry. Our military is made of people.
It is very relevant to a lot of things, just not to whether or not your military constitutes a war machine. I don't understand why you are so sensitive about the use of the term.Losing 5000 people is certainly relevant regardless of whether idiots think we are a "war machine" or not.
I know exactly what I mean to say, and I'm pretty certain that the military-industrial component of your body politic are not the ones trying to dissuade him from taking aggressive action, just as the producers of diabetes medications are not trying to shut down Macdonalds.I think you mean to say that in this case our federal government and President Obama are not and constantly overstep their boundaries regardless of the opinions of the people.
So are 'war machines'. Genghis Khan's war machine was made of nothing but people and horses. Yours is made up of people and matériel; quite a lot of matériel, as a matter of fact.
It is very relevant to a lot of things, just not to whether or not your military constitutes a war machine. I don't understand why you are so sensitive about the use of the term.
I know exactly what I mean to say, and I'm pretty certain that the military-industrial component of your body politic are not the ones trying to dissuade him from taking aggressive action, just as the producers of diabetes medications are not trying to shut down Macdonalds.
Yes, all societies are made up of people. Machines are replaceable, but people are not. There is no such thing as a "war machine."
It is a dehumanizing term and a term that desensitizes people to the FACT that Americans die when they go to war.
Do you understand the hierarchy? The military does NOT tell the CIC what to do. Quite the opposite. The president is also the one responsible for appointing his advisers when it comes to military actions. Ultimately, the buck stops with him as much as you would like to blame anyone else.
Unless Bush was the president of course, then it would be all his fault.
I'll ask you this. Why should Americans in particular spill blood and spend money on this particular problem when there are and have been far worse atrocities? And why do you think we should be responsible for what happens in Syria? Why not your country? Why not the UK? Why not France? Why not the UN?
That's been exactly my point. Theres 300 countries in the world. Why is it our job to intervene in Syria? This is the UNs job. If they make a decision then we can support it.
Even if there was going to be a dirty war, Bush knew how to make it worth and how to handle it.
Ofc it is easier now to judge him after the many events happen and you received the feedback.
But consider yourself on that time, before Iraq war started and how your opinion has changed.
Obama is worst decision making leader.
He doesn't know to make the right decision at the right moment.
Syria is not the right decision, nor the right moment.
Iraq wasn't the right decision, but it was in the right moment.
We should only use our military strength when WE want to. Not when YOU or others want us to. Syria is NOT our problem. All these other countries that want "action" from the US should piss off! Handle it your damn selves.
... what? If analysts are to be believed, neither Bush or anyone supervising the invasion of Iraq had mildly plausible plans of how to implement their nation building strategy. Trying to engineer a democracy in Iraq and pursuing WMD also had nothing to do with 9/11 or the War on Terror.
Haha, when's the last time all these people that want US action stretched out their hands to help pay the bill? Ask them if they would pay extra taxes to sent to the US military.
How 'bout we skip the help part and just let them hate U.S. upfront?hate us afterwards
How 'bout we skip the help part and just let them hate U.S. upfront?
hah I can't imagine them being anymore destabilized than they are now. I agree we should stay as far away as possible. Better get drilling like mad though cuz when the black gold gets shut off world prices will go through the roof?helping to destabilize
They will continue to get worse as we have aided the Arab Spring.hah I can't imagine them being anymore destabilized than they are now. I agree we should stay as far away as possible. Better get drilling like mad though cuz when the black gold gets shut off world prices will go through the roof?