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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%
  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%

  • Total voters
    166
Perhaps, but this is a biggie. Chemical weapons on civilian populations is pretty bad. Especially since most of the world has signed up on the weapons banning treaties. It's already bad that North Korea pulled out of the test ban treaty.

Ultimately the problem isn't Syria. It's the message to everyone else that our threats have no bite. That will have serious consequences down the line.

That's why presidents should know who is who and what the hell is going on before issuing ultimatums. That was really stupid IMO.
 
That's why presidents should know who is who and what the hell is going on before issuing ultimatums. That was really stupid IMO.

I do think it's funny how a guy issued an ultimatum. You'd think they know it never works on them when women issue ultimatums.
 
I do think it's funny how a guy issued an ultimatum. You'd think they know it never works on them when women issue ultimatums.

I'll bet Obama bends to Michelle's ultimatums all the time. She looks like she could probably kick his ass. :lol:
 
You would be too with the most stressful job on the planet.

Compare photos in 2007 to 2012. And then do it for all presidents. They all go gray really fast.

Yes, I noticed on the news yesterday how gray and old-looking he's gotten. He should use Just For Men. :lol:
 
BBC News - Syria crisis: David Cameron makes case for military action

"Prime Minister David Cameron has put his case for military action against Syria to British MPs, but has conceded intelligence that the regime used chemical weapons is not "100% certain"."
The UK could launch strikes without UN backing, according to legal advice.
Action would be a legal "humanitarian intervention" - even if it was vetoed at the UN
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Considering, Obama announced he has not yet decided on a plan for action against Syria, I see too suspicious the rapid tend to act from the British.

And I also agree on ..... Syria is not as Iraq case.
Bush was better than Obama or Cameron to convince everyone for starting a war.
"GOD told me to invade Iraq" - may look stupid and funny now but it was epic on that time and worked well imo.

If Obama and Cameron go for an attack I think they can't manage it if something goes wrong.
And I'm sure that Syrian's forces are not like the Libyan's forces.
 
BBC News - Syria crisis: David Cameron makes case for military action

"Prime Minister David Cameron has put his case for military action against Syria to British MPs, but has conceded intelligence that the regime used chemical weapons is not "100% certain"."
The UK could launch strikes without UN backing, according to legal advice.
Action would be a legal "humanitarian intervention" - even if it was vetoed at the UN
_________________________________________________

Considering, Obama announced he has not yet decided on a plan for action against Syria, I see too suspicious the rapid tend to act from the British.

And I also agree on ..... Syria is not as Iraq case.
Bush was better than Obama or Cameron to convince everyone for starting a war.
"GOD told me to invade Iraq" - may look stupid and funny now but it was epic on that time and worked well imo.

If Obama and Cameron go for an attack I think they can't manage it if something goes wrong.
And I'm sure that Syrian's forces are not like the Libyan's forces.

The House of Commons has rejected the military action proposed by Cameron. Obama and Hollande will have to take the lead.
 
I don't envy Obama one bit.
 
The House of Commons has rejected the military action proposed by Cameron. Obama and Hollande will have to take the lead.

Yeah, I saw it. (Notifications on phone FTW) :2razz:

However, I was surprised by the rapid tend of Cameron.

Also, since UN arrived in Syria there was no announcement by the Syrian rebels anymore. Too wired.
Their last new was: Syrian rebels claim receipt of major weapons shipment | World news | The Guardian
"Rebel groups in Syria's north say they have received their largest shipment of weapons yet"
 
Neither do I, he's screwed no matter what he does in this case.

And no matter what he does in any case, he seems to screw it up. He steps in deep doodoo every time he ad libs.
 
And no matter what he does in any case, he seems to screw it up. He steps in deep doodoo every time he ad libs.
Partisan crap unworthy of anything more than that's partisan crap.
 
Yes, they would. As historic enemies of the ruling elite in Syria, and trying to follow a subservient line to the US/NATO policy direction, Turkey has every motivation for doing so. Add to that the thrust of their Sunni convictions that the Shi'a régime in Damascus is an abomination, you have perfect storm conditions under which the truth has little chance of survival.




That is very interesting.. It seems possible then that this conflict could spread as a regional conflict with the Sunni on one side and Shia on the other..
 
I don't envy Obama one bit.



I don't either, but he is now backed into a corner and isn't going to wait a minute more than he has to.. I would guess Saturday or Sunday..He can't afford to wait any longer..
 
I don't either, but he is now backed into a corner and isn't going to wait a minute more than he has to.. I would guess Saturday or Sunday..He can't afford to wait any longer..

Why not?
 
Obama attacked Bush (and the GOP) about their foreign policy. Obama blamed the wars he acquired as the reason for the huge debt. Obama continuously says he wants peace. Yet he is doing the same exact thing that Bush did. He is not promoting peace. And he has no excuse to blame Bush for the debt when he is doing the same exact thing. Fix America before we fix other countries. We are bombing Syria because Syria bombed Syria. It makes no sense.
 




I believe that he has to move quickly. The longer he waits, the more time that the Syrian Regime has to move forces and equipment, to hide military equipment, to launch another gas attack, to coordinate with Hezbollah and Iran--not to mention Russia who they say has warships and anti submarine equipment on the way..
 
I believe that he has to move quickly. The longer he waits, the more time that the Syrian Regime has to move forces and equipment, to hide military equipment, to launch another gas attack, to coordinate with Hezbollah and Iran--not to mention Russia who they say has warships and anti submarine equipment on the way..

I think it's a little late for that now. We're still just sitting there as far as I know.
 
Obama cannot move according to Boehner and Boehner refuses to convene the House.

He has more pressing business in Idaho trying to shore up a sitting Repub congressman who is being TEAparty primaried.

Thus, we hear Boehner promising a 'whale of a fight', no matter the issue.

I believe that he has to move quickly. The longer he waits, the more time that the Syrian Regime has to move forces and equipment, to hide military equipment, to launch another gas attack, to coordinate with Hezbollah and Iran--not to mention Russia who they say has warships and anti submarine equipment on the way..
 
I believe that he has to move quickly. The longer he waits, the more time that the Syrian Regime has to move forces and equipment, to hide military equipment, to launch another gas attack, to coordinate with Hezbollah and Iran--not to mention Russia who they say has warships and anti submarine equipment on the way..
If he had to move quickly, it was about 2 years ago. He had even the morale to strike on Syria. 2012 was most deadly year on Syria and still no one cared at all.
Attacking now is so pointless and have no more reasons/morale.
Besides of that no proves are yet on space if govern used chemical weapons.
What's the bad if Assad win over rebels?
Syrians themselves will judge the regime.
The Syrian rebels came from nowhere and Syrian people are not supporting them.
 
I think Putin is calling Obama's bluff and it's working.

They see the US as weak and vulnerable.

The United States is weak and vulnerable, which is why this isn't easy.
 
The United States is weak and vulnerable, which is why this isn't easy.
every country has its weak points, no one is perfect.
but, unlike Bush, Obama is making them clear.
 
every country has its weak points, no one is perfect.
but, unlike Bush, Obama is making them clear.

And what exactly is that supposed to mean? People have been criticizing Bush for setting policies that exposed our limitations and weaknesses since the build up to the Iraq War. It's a staple part of his legacy that his wars were unsuccessful efforts at creating two pro-West democracies, one of which is being pushed into Iran's camp by its newly empowered Shi'a majority and the other of which is being overtaken by the Taliban at a grassroots level. At best, Iran will be partitioned between Shi'a, Sunnis, and Kurds so that the entire population and its industries don't wind up in Iran's court, and the Taliban will focus on drugs rather than Islamic radicalism.
 
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