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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%
  • Total voters
    166
P. Kersey said:
Right..we can't/won't secure our OWN borders but we need to go halfway around the world to secure a foreign country's borders...great idea...
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:shrug: you'll find me fully in favor of securing the southern border.

and then, unbelievably, there's THIS;

Obama administration and Mexican government officials recently discussed creating a three-tier security system designed to protect Mexico’s southern border from drug and human traffickers, according to U.S. officials.

The border control plan calls for U.S. funding and technical support of three security lines extending more than 100 miles north of Mexico’s border with Guatemala and Belize. The border security system would use sensors and intelligence-gathering to counter human trafficking and drug running from the region, a major source of illegal immigration into the United States.
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:lol: yup. If you ever want a laughable lesson in hypocrisy, look at how Mexico treats illegal aliens :p
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Have you forgotten about Benghazi?
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Of course not, but that's not because of our intervention in Libya, that because of all the lunatics who reside there. Not much one can do about that.
 
Smeagol said:
I honestly don't know. On one hand innocents are being brutalized at the hands of a dictator who seems only to be concerned about his job security/generous compensation stream...well, maybe at this point retribution as well. On the other hand the people opposing him hate our guts and are associated with Al Qaeda and with whom we would be inadvertently joining forces. Then it seems possibly both sides have used chemical weapons possibly for the sloe purpose of drawing us into the conflict. In a situation where there is no good answer, I think setting up a refugee program possibly to Turkey, Jordan or an undeveloped area of western Iraq along with an international peacekeeping force set up to evacuate people might be worth considering. In the meantime, emergency efforts should be made to sharply curtail our dependency on petroleum, a key reason we must stay involved in the region in the first place as well as the motive of greed for our money for dictators to rule with iron fisted brutality once they gain power.
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turkey is already full of syrian islamist monsters .

l dont want any potential murderer anymore in my country
 
cpwill said:
Let's see..... two years ago, cpwill said that we should go in just enough to secure Syria's WMD stockpiles and facilities, and remove them, and provide security for refugees trying to flee the fighting.
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Wasn't realistic then; isn't realistic now, unless you want to have Russian and Chinese boots on the ground too. You obviously believe the Russian's warnings are hot air and that the US should have called their bluff. That would be the way to kick off WWIII, but I guess that would keep you guys in work for a while more.
 
OscarB63 said:
many years ago, when I was much younger and cruder (if you can believe that) we had a French guy visit our lab. We went out to dinner after work and he was running his mouth talking **** about America and American's. I just looked at him and said "I'm sorry, could you repeat that in English? I don't speak fag".
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Ooh! Best. Smackdown. Ever! Thanks for sharing. :roll:
 
sawyerloggingon said:
That's my point, Syria is all lunatics too, let them sort it out.
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Wouldn't bother me one bit if we just minded our business for once. :lol: I think we have plenty of our OWN issues to sort out.
 
Medusa said:
turkey is already full of syrian islamist monsters .

l dont want any potential murderer anymore in my country
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Mornin Medusa.....yeah and it also the CP for the FSA. If Assad could get a hit on that CP or capture it. Then that would really put a dent into the MB's plans as well as screw up the Wests plans. Means Assad would be able to try them as traitors in a court of law. All charged with acts of treason and terrorism.

I am surprised the Russians didn't think of anything earlier.
 
MMC said:
Mornin Medusa.....yeah and it also the CP for the FSA. If Assad could get a hit on that CP or capture it. Then that would really put a dent into the MB's plans as well as screw up the Wests plans. Means Assad would be able to try them as traitors in a court of law. All charged with acts of treason and terrorism.

I am surprised the Russians didn't think of anything earlier.
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hi MMC

Both the radical brothers and teh west agrees that the assad regime must be overthrown. but in reality what the west wants to get from this plan is to build a basis for the success of the process of teh great middle east project ,which will help create a great kurdistan ,a trojan horse in this region

teh west never stopped dreaming about this great kurdistan since the beginning of this century
 
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Andalublue said:
Wasn't realistic then; isn't realistic now, unless you want to have Russian and Chinese boots on the ground too.
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:lol: :) How are the Chinese going to get their people there, and sustain them, and what is their interest in doing so?

You obviously believe the Russian's warnings are hot air and that the US should have called their bluff. That would be the way to kick off WWIII, but I guess that would keep you guys in work for a while more.
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Er, no. Russia is not going to initiate WWIV (V?) over whether or not we dismantle Syria's IADs network and WMD facilities, any more than it did when Israel bombed the nuclear facility.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: :) How are the Chinese going to get their people there, and sustain them, and what is their interest in doing so?



Er, no. Russia is not going to initiate WWIV (V?) over whether or not we dismantle Syria's IADs network and WMD facilities, any more than it did when Israel bombed the nuclear facility.
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I just don't see Russia as the threat that they used to be, and Putin is just full of a lot of air IMO. I don't think the Russians want anything to do with war at this time.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: :) How are the Chinese going to get their people there, and sustain them, and what is their interest in doing so?



Er, no. Russia is not going to initiate WWIV (V?) over whether or not we dismantle Syria's IADs network and WMD facilities, any more than it did when Israel bombed the nuclear facility.
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

russia and china could work together quite well to further destabilize america.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: :) How are the Chinese going to get their people there, and sustain them, and what is their interest in doing so?



Er, no. Russia is not going to initiate WWIV (V?) over whether or not we dismantle Syria's IADs network and WMD facilities, any more than it did when Israel bombed the nuclear facility.
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Mornin CPW. :2wave: So what deal do you think Lavrov made for Tartus?
 
P. Kersey said:
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

russia and china could work together quite well to further destabilize america.
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If they did that they'd be destroying their own country as well. Russia(by their debts), China(by their debts and credits), and the US(credits and debts) with European Union(credit and debts) pretty much control the financial status of the world. If any of the three fall, the other ones will follow suit.
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
If they did that they'd be destroying their own country as well. Russia(by their debts), China(by their debts and credits), and the US(credits and debts) with European Union(credit and debts) pretty much control the financial status of the world. If any of the three fall, the other ones will follow suit.
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We're BORROWING money just to pay the INTEREST on our current debts.We can't even begin to address the principal..That is called "bankruptcy" and "insolvency".
It's all paper..no real "treasure" is involved. I think russia and china could survive quite well if the u.s. collapsed. In fact they would be strengthened by the removal of a historic enemy.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: :) How are the Chinese going to get their people there, and sustain them, and what is their interest in doing so?
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No idea. Where's is their aircraft carrier at the moment?



Er, no. Russia is not going to initiate WWIV (V?) over whether or not we dismantle Syria's IADs network and WMD facilities, any more than it did when Israel bombed the nuclear facility.
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Er, you think they'd just bluster and do nothing should US troops launch an incursion into Syria? I don't believe they would sit on their hands.
 
Woodman909 said:
Obama's foreign policy and diplomatic positioning is a joke. It proves he is clueless, looking for someone to love him. He is useless. These deaths are on his hands, during his watch. Let's see if he's gonna throw another "It's Bush's fault" at us. The rodeo clown had a better grasp.
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These deaths are in NO WAY on Obama's hands.

Syria is ultimately NOT our responsibility.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Should we go into Syria and...do what exactly?

What exactly are we being polled about?
Taking over Syria?
Providing military support to some faction in Syria?
Establishing a base for humanitarian activities?
Some "peacekeeping" mission?
To sell popcorn?
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I say none of the above to any of your suggestions.

**** em.
 
P. Kersey said:
We're BORROWING money just to pay the INTEREST on our current debts.We can't even begin to address the principal..That is called "bankruptcy" and "insolvency".
It's all paper..no real "treasure" is involved. I think russia and china could survive quite well if the u.s. collapsed. In fact they would be strengthened by the removal of a historic enemy.
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So is every other country/union I named. Here, I'll help you out.

Chinese Debt: 40% of GDP
UK Debt 69% of GDP

It isn't just a US problem. Here is the thing, this is why the doomsday sayers are full of crap every other nation is just as bad off if not worse than we are.
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
So is every other country/union I named. Here, I'll help you out.

Chinese Debt: 40% of GDP
UK Debt 69% of GDP

It isn't just a US problem. Here is the thing, this is why the doomsday sayers are full of crap every other nation is just as bad off if not worse than we are.
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I don't really think China is hurting so bad.

Just How Big Is China? Bigger Than You Think - Forbes

According to the latest research from the United Nations, China has further outpaced its competitors in world manufacturing, generating $2.9 trillion in output annually versus $2.43 trillion from the U.S., the world’s second-largest manufacturing economy.

Over the last two years, China’s manufacturing sector has made strong gains, while the U.S. has been on Fed life support.

“In 2011, China’s manufacturing output surged by 23% while manufacturing output in the U.S. only increased by 2.8%,” the American Enterprise Institute‘s Mark Perry said in his Carpe Diem blog on Friday. “That brought China’s manufacturing output last year to more than $2.9 trillion, which was almost half a trillion dollars (and 20%) more manufacturing output than the $2.43 trillion of manufacturing output that was produced in the U.S. last year.”
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Nynaeve Meara said:
So is every other country/union I named. Here, I'll help you out.

Chinese Debt: 40% of GDP
UK Debt 69% of GDP

It isn't just a US problem. Here is the thing, this is why the doomsday sayers are full of crap every other nation is just as bad off if not worse than we are.
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Strategically removing (crippling) the u.s. (economically) would be worth it to them.
It's like writing off a bad debt you can never collect anyway. They know we'll never be able to pay off those debts. It's all meaningless paper.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: you'll find me fully in favor of securing the southern border.
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...but we aren't and we won't. We're going to help other nations secure theirs, though...ineptocracy.
 
P. Kersey said:
Strategically removing (crippling) the u.s. (economically) would be worth it to them.
It's like writing off a bad debt you can never collect anyway. They know we'll never be able to pay off those debts. It's all meaningless paper.
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I think we are still stronger in the military sense. That's why it's important IMO to not cut military spending. Our federal government is obligated to protect us and given all the turmoil that's going on in the world now, it would incredibly irresponsible to cut military spending IMO.
 
ChrisL said:
I think we are still stronger in the military sense. That's why it's important IMO to not cut military spending. Our federal government is obligated to protect us and given all the turmoil that's going on in the world now, it would incredibly irresponsible to cut military spending IMO.
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If the only thing we used our military for was to protect us, that would be ok.
Our federal government is partially responsible for "all the turmoil that's going on in the world now". We couldn't subdue iraq...we can't subdue afghanistan...vietnam...korea...etc..etc...
 
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