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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%
  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%

  • Total voters
    166
Were the bombs loaded with chemical agents or did the bombs strike the rebels poison gas laboratory? It was the rebels that used gas previously and that is documented. I don't believe US.UK, or French press about anything Syria related. We are the bad guys in Syria. Face it, just like the Nazis.

Heya DF :2wave: That's Right......the Rebels have used them and they have been caught lying before. Truthfully none should listen to what the Rebels say. As they will say anything and do just about anything to get what they want. More Weapons and heavier Weapons.
 
to quote Johnny Rico from Starship Troopers:

KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!

;)
 
I suspect the French will jump in, just in time to surrender... to anyone....

Heya WM. :2wave: They are a major culprit in this.....Just like they were with Libya. It was the French who First Officially recognized the Libyan TNC. Then it was them doing the same with the FSA.
Now its the French out front with their Foot in their Mouth again. Wanting others to get involved and do something.

How about the French take their ass over there and they do something ALL by themselves. For Once in the last 200 years. Don't talk the talk. Go and show the World if they can Actually muster up on their own. Don't ya just luv that part.....the World has to do something. But not troops on the ground. :doh

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons .....

France says the international community must respond with force if opposition allegations that Syrian forces used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus prove true.

But French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on Thursday ruled out the use of ground troops.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is also urging international action, saying a "red line" has been crossed in Syria.

Activists say Syrian forces launched new bombing attacks Thursday in the eastern Ghouta area, where a day earlier the opposition accused government troops of killing many civilians with chemical weapons.....snip~

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons
VOA 6hrs ago <<<<< More here.
 
Heya WM. :2wave: They are a major culprit in this.....Just like they were with Libya. It was the French who First Officially recognized the Libyan TNC. Then it was them doing the same with the FSA.
Now its the French out front with their Foot in their Mouth again. Wanting others to get involved and do something.

How about the French take their ass over there and they do something ALL by themselves. For Once in the last 200 years. Don't talk the talk. Go and show the World if they can Actually muster up on their own. Don't ya just luv that part.....the World has to do something. But not troops on the ground. :doh

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons .....

France says the international community must respond with force if opposition allegations that Syrian forces used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus prove true.

But French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on Thursday ruled out the use of ground troops.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is also urging international action, saying a "red line" has been crossed in Syria.

Activists say Syrian forces launched new bombing attacks Thursday in the eastern Ghouta area, where a day earlier the opposition accused government troops of killing many civilians with chemical weapons.....snip~

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons
VOA 6hrs ago <<<<< More here.

France needs to just STFU. When's the last time they actually did anything?
 
Heya WM. :2wave: They are a major culprit in this.....Just like they were with Libya. It was the French who First Officially recognized the Libyan TNC. Then it was them doing the same with the FSA.
Now its the French out front with their Foot in their Mouth again. Wanting others to get involved and do something.

How about the French take their ass over there and they do something ALL by themselves. For Once in the last 200 years. Don't talk the talk. Go and show the World if they can Actually muster up on their own. Don't ya just luv that part.....the World has to do something. But not troops on the ground. :doh

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons .....

France says the international community must respond with force if opposition allegations that Syrian forces used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus prove true.

But French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on Thursday ruled out the use of ground troops.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is also urging international action, saying a "red line" has been crossed in Syria.

Activists say Syrian forces launched new bombing attacks Thursday in the eastern Ghouta area, where a day earlier the opposition accused government troops of killing many civilians with chemical weapons.....snip~

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons
VOA 6hrs ago <<<<< More here.

The French, for all we love to mock them, are a nuclear nation with a military. Let them go in and we can throw them our moral support.

Vive La France. Go tigers.
 
I hadn't heard that, you have a link?

Yep SL :2wave: .....check it out. ;)

UN says there are strong suspicions Syria’s rebels have used chemical weapons.....

Former war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte said a UN commission has indications that Syrian rebel forces used nerve agent sarin as a weapon in their fight against Assad’s regime – but no evidence that government forces also used sarin as a chemical weapon.

Del Ponte is on the U.N.’s four-member independent human rights panel probing alleged war crimes and other abuses in Syria. She told Italian-language Swiss public broadcaster SRI in an interview broadcast Sunday night that the indications are based on interviews with victims, doctors and field hospitals in neighboring countries.

The panel’s investigators have “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” said del Ponte.

Syria chemical weapons: UN says Syrian rebels used sarin | National Post

Reuters) – U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria’s civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

“Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

“This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.

The Grendel Report: U.N. says Syrian rebels used chem weapons, Dem says arm rebels (naturally)
 
France needs to just STFU. When's the last time they actually did anything?

Heya Oscar. :2wave: I know the feeling. They not only outplayed Susan Rice when she was our UN Ambassador. But have repeatedly been filing resolutions in the UN over Syria and Libyan. They do like sticking their nose into other peoples business. Course they did get caught with the people inside Syria once already.

France warns Syria of forceful response over chemical weapon claims....

France has raised the prospect of the use of force against the Syrian government if allegations of its use of chemical weapons are proved.

The French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, said on Thursday that if the regime was shown to be responsible for the massacre, "we need a reaction by the international community … a reaction of force". He ruled out the deployment of foreign ground troops but added "a reaction that can take a form, I don't want to be more precise, of force" – raising the possibility of air strikes by western powers.

Hundreds of civilians are known to have died in the attack on Ghouta, a rebel-held area in the Damascus suburbs, and the death toll continues to rise as more bodies are found.

In London, a Foreign Office spokeswoman said the UK would not rule out any option in its response to the latest massacre.....snip~

France warns Syria of forceful response over chemical weapon claims | World news | theguardian.com
 
Well Obama's red line has been crossed and we went into Libya for far less so what do you think? "Residents of Damascus suburbs recount massive assault by Assad army; videos show small children convulsing on the floor, foaming at the nose and mouth. Doctor: Injuries correspond with sarin gas "
"The men, women and children lying undisturbed in their beds had looked so peaceful they might have been just sleeping, Abu Nidal thought, as he and other rescuers dragged their bodies into the street."

"His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews

Only if Russia can somehow be convinced to give its "okay".
 
Heya Oscar. :2wave: I know the feeling. They not only outplayed Susan Rice when she was our UN Ambassador. But have repeatedly been filing resolutions in the UN over Syria and Libyan. They do like sticking their nose into other peoples business. Course they did get caught with the people inside Syria once already.

France warns Syria of forceful response over chemical weapon claims....

France has raised the prospect of the use of force against the Syrian government if allegations of its use of chemical weapons are proved.

The French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, said on Thursday that if the regime was shown to be responsible for the massacre, "we need a reaction by the international community … a reaction of force". He ruled out the deployment of foreign ground troops but added "a reaction that can take a form, I don't want to be more precise, of force" – raising the possibility of air strikes by western powers.

Hundreds of civilians are known to have died in the attack on Ghouta, a rebel-held area in the Damascus suburbs, and the death toll continues to rise as more bodies are found.

In London, a Foreign Office spokeswoman said the UK would not rule out any option in its response to the latest massacre.....snip~

France warns Syria of forceful response over chemical weapon claims | World news | theguardian.com

many years ago, when I was much younger and cruder (if you can believe that) we had a French guy visit our lab. We went out to dinner after work and he was running his mouth talking **** about America and American's. I just looked at him and said "I'm sorry, could you repeat that in English? I don't speak fag".
 
WWIII has been raging for 60 years already.

Well if that's the Case.....then the rest of the World, only needs to understand one thing. I(we, USA) will be the one.

 
The problem with France is they sorta have this chip on their shoulder about being at least second best...at everything. What do they make that I, or anyone else, actually wants?

The Italians ROCK them in food. Cheese? I'll take 1,000 day Gouda over anything the French bring to the table. Brie tastes just like it smells...a foot. It's why they have to put pastry all over it. And frankly, nothing rivals mozzarella for taste and versatility.

Everyone except Russia kicks their buts in cars. I need to own a Peugeot like I need herpes.

Wine? Sorry, but our own Nappa valley kicks them in the balls. Italy ain't so bad in that dept, either. And then there are German ice wines. Tasty.

What else they got? What exactly is France's contribution to the world market?
 
The problem with France is they sorta have this chip on their shoulder about being at least second best...at everything. What do they make that I, or anyone else, actually wants?

The Italians ROCK them in food. Cheese? I'll take 1,000 day Gouda over anything the French bring to the table. Brie tastes just like it smells...a foot. It's why they have to put pastry all over it. And frankly, nothing rivals mozzarella for taste and versatility.

Everyone except Russia kicks their buts in cars. I need to own a Peugeot like I need herpes.

Wine? Sorry, but our own Nappa valley kicks them in the balls. Italy ain't so bad in that dept, either. And then there are German ice wines. Tasty.

What else they got? What exactly is France's contribution to the world market?

Mornin KK. :2wave:.....
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The problem with Syria is that there was nobody leading for Obama to follow - unlike in Libya where the French led a NATO involvement. Likewise, in Egypt and Iran before it, there's nobody for Obama to follow so he's completely neutralized/paralyzed.

Say what you want about middle eastern views of America under Bush, they were never as bad as they are now under this excuse of a President.

The only hope for Obama to get engaged in a matter related to the middle east is if one of their sports teams wins a championship, then he can wine and dine them at the White House. Celebrity hostess is his true calling.
They were worse under Bush than Obama.

Nothing quite like invading/controlling two countries and then failing to assist them, not only once, but twice.
 
They were worse under Bush than Obama.

Nothing quite like invading/controlling two countries and then failing to assist them, not only once, but twice.

Your first sentence is nonsense, of course - just ask most residents of the middle east today. When Bush said something related to the middle east, the people there sat up and listened because they knew he meant it and was prepared to back up his words. When Obama speaks, just like here in the west, people just change the channel or go back to sleep - they know it's just more hot air from the clown prince of pomposity.

Secondly, I wasn't aware that the purpose of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to colonize two new American states. The Iraqis by and large are quite pleased to be rid of Sadaam, except for those hangers on who are still trying to be relevant by bombing innocents, but in general they are progressing and have no need for further American assistance. Afghanistan is a little more troublesome, but even someone like you isn't suggesting that America should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go unanswered, are you?
 
The problem with Syria is that there was nobody leading for Obama to follow - unlike in Libya where the French led a NATO involvement. Likewise, in Egypt and Iran before it, there's nobody for Obama to follow so he's completely neutralized/paralyzed.

Say what you want about middle eastern views of America under Bush, they were never as bad as they are now under this excuse of a President.

The only hope for Obama to get engaged in a matter related to the middle east is if one of their sports teams wins a championship, then he can wine and dine them at the White House. Celebrity hostess is his true calling.




If Canada wants to unilaterally go in there with support from cpwill to clean up that little mess you guys have my permission.

Don't forget to formulate an exit plan before you go in there.
 
Your first sentence is nonsense, of course - just ask most residents of the middle east today. When Bush said something related to the middle east, the people there sat up and listened because they knew he meant it and was prepared to back up his words. When Obama speaks, just like here in the west, people just change the channel or go back to sleep - they know it's just more hot air from the clown prince of pomposity.
Bush was a joke to the Middle East and everyone knew it. He was doing what he was told and at least Obama hasn't been the push around that Bush was with the military. That alone makes him more worthwhile than the previous. Also I hate to break it to you but the Middle East likes Obama a lot more than Bush.

I'll back that up with actual polls on top of having many friends from Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq.

Global opinion of Obama
Global Opinion of Bush

Egypt Obama 42% approval Bush 30%

So let's not base your opinion on nonfactual information.
Secondly, I wasn't aware that the purpose of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to colonize two new American states. The Iraqis by and large are quite pleased to be rid of Sadaam, except for those hangers on who are still trying to be relevant by bombing innocents, but in general they are progressing and have no need for further American assistance. Afghanistan is a little more troublesome, but even someone like you isn't suggesting that America should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go unanswered, are you?
Naturally they are glad to be rid of the dictator we put in charge in Iraq, it was our mess to begin with yet again. We had to go in 30+ yrs later and try to clean it up. Which is exactly what we did with Afghanistan as well. Only this time we are actually trying to rebuild the country as opposed to just giving the local populace weapons and pretend to be surprised at the rise of a terrorist cell when we refused to help them after the Soviet invasion was thwarted.

9/11 had to be answered, but the answer wasn't even in Afghanistan which is funny to me the man responsible was found in the neighboring country of Pakistan. I remember saying that Osama was going to flee to Taliban controlled Pakistan right after our invasion of Afghanistan. I wasn't around here then but there were some local forums that I took a lot of flak on for saying that.
 
Let's see..... two years ago, cpwill said that we should go in just enough to secure Syria's WMD stockpiles and facilities, and remove them, and provide security for refugees trying to flee the fighting.



....now, the regime (and possibly the opposition, who is heavily infused with Al Qaeda) are using those stockpiles of WMD's, and over 100,000 people have been killed....


additionally and perhaps equally or more significantly, the United States has just demonstrated in the worst possible way that it is a feckless, weak-willed nation unwilling to actually back it's talk (at least, under the current administration). The value of the U.S. Security Guarantee just got seriously degraded the world over. Do you know what the most important thing about a threat is? You have to be willing to back it up.

That is another problem we have cpwill. The United States cannot be trusted to put it in just a little bit and respect anyone in the morning. If you let the U.S. put it in the U.S. is going to **** you and then they are going to spend the night and the next and the next and the U.S. is going to **** you until the U.S. is ready to leave.
 
If Canada wants to unilaterally go in there with support from cpwill to clean up that little mess you guys have my permission.

Don't forget to formulate an exit plan before you go in there.

As I've said previously, going into Syria at this time is not an option and I do not support it. That fact doesn't discount the comments I've made here either.
 
Heya WM. :2wave: They are a major culprit in this.....Just like they were with Libya. It was the French who First Officially recognized the Libyan TNC. Then it was them doing the same with the FSA.
Now its the French out front with their Foot in their Mouth again. Wanting others to get involved and do something.

How about the French take their ass over there and they do something ALL by themselves. For Once in the last 200 years. Don't talk the talk. Go and show the World if they can Actually muster up on their own. Don't ya just luv that part.....the World has to do something. But not troops on the ground. :doh

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons .....

France says the international community must respond with force if opposition allegations that Syrian forces used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus prove true.

But French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on Thursday ruled out the use of ground troops.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is also urging international action, saying a "red line" has been crossed in Syria.

Activists say Syrian forces launched new bombing attacks Thursday in the eastern Ghouta area, where a day earlier the opposition accused government troops of killing many civilians with chemical weapons.....snip~

France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons
VOA 6hrs ago <<<<< More here.


The French will be there soon. They are short on supplies. They have an order in for 20K white sheets and 80K wooden sticks and are waiting their arrival.
 
Yep SL :2wave: .....check it out. ;)

UN says there are strong suspicions Syria’s rebels have used chemical weapons.....

Former war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte said a UN commission has indications that Syrian rebel forces used nerve agent sarin as a weapon in their fight against Assad’s regime – but no evidence that government forces also used sarin as a chemical weapon.

Del Ponte is on the U.N.’s four-member independent human rights panel probing alleged war crimes and other abuses in Syria. She told Italian-language Swiss public broadcaster SRI in an interview broadcast Sunday night that the indications are based on interviews with victims, doctors and field hospitals in neighboring countries.

The panel’s investigators have “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” said del Ponte.

Syria chemical weapons: UN says Syrian rebels used sarin | National Post

Reuters) – U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria’s civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

“Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

“This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.

The Grendel Report: U.N. says Syrian rebels used chem weapons, Dem says arm rebels (naturally)

Well that makes the situation all the more complex and is even more reason to stay out of this mess.
 
many years ago, when I was much younger and cruder (if you can believe that) we had a French guy visit our lab. We went out to dinner after work and he was running his mouth talking **** about America and American's. I just looked at him and said "I'm sorry, could you repeat that in English? I don't speak fag".

I would laugh but that is just so not PC!:lol:
 
...additionally and perhaps equally or more significantly, the United States has just demonstrated in the worst possible way that it is a feckless, weak-willed nation unwilling to actually back it's talk (at least, under the current administration). The value of the U.S. Security Guarantee just got seriously degraded the world over. Do you know what the most important thing about a threat is? You have to be willing to back it up.
Spot on! I voted no. Not because it is not our problem, but because our current leadership does not have the attention span to carry out any strategy more extensive or complicated than a drone strike. This has been a problem for liberals ever since Kennedy got us into Vietnam.
 
Bush was a joke to the Middle East and everyone knew it. He was doing what he was told and at least Obama hasn't been the push around that Bush was with the military. That alone makes him more worthwhile than the previous. Also I hate to break it to you but the Middle East likes Obama a lot more than Bush.

I'll back that up with actual polls on top of having many friends from Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq.

Global opinion of Obama
Global Opinion of Bush

Egypt Obama 42% approval Bush 30%

So let's not base your opinion on nonfactual information.

Naturally they are glad to be rid of the dictator we put in charge in Iraq, it was our mess to begin with yet again. We had to go in 30+ yrs later and try to clean it up. Which is exactly what we did with Afghanistan as well. Only this time we are actually trying to rebuild the country as opposed to just giving the local populace weapons and pretend to be surprised at the rise of a terrorist cell when we refused to help them after the Soviet invasion was thwarted.

9/11 had to be answered, but the answer wasn't even in Afghanistan which is funny to me the man responsible was found in the neighboring country of Pakistan. I remember saying that Osama was going to flee to Taliban controlled Pakistan right after our invasion of Afghanistan. I wasn't around here then but there were some local forums that I took a lot of flak on for saying that.

We can all cite polls, I suspect:

Under Obama, Egyptians

If you think Obama is well liked in the middle east, good for you - delusion can be comforting for some.
 
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