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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    A pretty pivotal '6 months', considering the span of Barbarossa, and that during that time, Germany got rolled. Barbarossa involved Russia facing something like a dozen times as many units as we did. We only gained a foothold in Europe at all, because Russia dealt such a fatal blow to Germany in the first place. Face it, they could have destroyed Germany alone.
    Russia wouldn't have survived without massive US aid. And if Britain hadn't continued fighting (with massive US aid) after June 1940 then the Soviet Union would have been overwhelmed by the Germans.

    Remember the Soviet Union was the ally of Germany for 2 years, while Britain and the US stood up to Germany.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

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    It's not malicious- just having fun with you.
    I know it. I was joshin' ya.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Russia wouldn't have survived without massive US aid. And if Britain hadn't continued fighting (with massive US aid) after June 1940 then the Soviet Union would have been overwhelmed by the Germans.

    Remember the Soviet Union was the ally of Germany for 2 years, while Britain and the US stood up to Germany.
    Wouldn't have survived? Without what? Did America provide Russia with 9 million soldiers who were killed? 100,000 tanks maybe?

    Talk about shameless revisionism.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Well. No arguing with logic like that.
    Where was the Soviet Army in mid 1944?
    Why did Stalin have to be arm twisted into helping the Polish on the way to Germany?
    No doubt the Russians stalled and defeated the Germans on Soviet soil with herculian efforts.
    But to say "Russia won the war", is a little bit of a stretch.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Wouldn't have survived? Without what? Did America provide Russia with 9 million soldiers who were killed? 100,000 tanks maybe?

    Talk about shameless revisionism.
    You clearly don't have even an elementary grasp of the historical facts. Most of the trucks the Soviet Army used, a lot of iets railroad equipment, a lot of airplanes, etc. came from the US. Without US support the Soviet Army would have been non-motorized.

    And talking about shameless revisionism, I se you continue to ignore the fact that the Soviet Union was the ally of the Nazis for the first two years of the war.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Where was the Soviet Army in mid 1944?
    Why did Stalin have to be arm twisted into helping the Polish on the way to Germany?
    No doubt the Russians stalled and defeated the Germans on Soviet soil with herculian efforts.
    But to say "Russia won the war", is a little bit of a stretch.
    No more so than this silly refusal to admit to America's contribution as a belated and token gesture. Compare the stats. Compare the combat losses of Russia to America. You really need to look into the Eastern Front. This desire to cast America as the hero is childish and unfounded. They didn't just 'stall' the Germans. They rolled them right back across the border, at massive personal cost, and towards the race for Berlin. Some of you posters here would like to pretend that Russia played no part at all. 1944? When it was all but finished, you mean? Where was America up to the very end of '41?

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If I have a red line and tell you don't cross it or else, you better believe or else will happen immediately. See the difference?
    No. Our President has turned to Congress for a vote of authorization to strike Syria.
    Are you inferring that you would strike without authorization?

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    You clearly don't have even an elementary grasp of the historical facts. Most of the trucks the Soviet Army used, a lot of iets railroad equipment, a lot of airplanes, etc. came from the US. Without US support the Soviet Army would have been non-motorized.

    And talking about shameless revisionism, I se you continue to ignore the fact that the Soviet Union was the ally of the Nazis for the first two years of the war.
    Your wealth of expertise evidently emboldens you to rewrite that 'elementary grasp'. Russia was already motorised. Where did all the T-34s come from? American factories? 100,000 of them? Really? They didn't beat the Germans with American jeeps. lulz

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    No more so than this silly refusal to admit to America's contribution as a belated and token gesture. Compare the stats. Compare the combat losses of Russia to America. You really need to look into the Eastern Front. This desire to cast America as the hero is childish and unfounded. They didn't just 'stall' the Germans. They rolled them right back across the border, at massive personal cost, and towards the race for Berlin. Some of you posters here would like to pretend that Russia played no part at all. 1944? When it was all but finished, you mean? Where was America up to the very end of '41?
    Stats?
    So the Soviets lost more men? So what? They were ill equipped, hell they dug a moat 5000 miles long around Moscow to keep the Germans at bay. And they still got within 20 miles of the Kremlin.
    Had the US not got involved, the Germans would have had many more men to send to the Russian fronts and continued the offensive.
    But the US and its allies knew that a Germany that large was not to be accepted and got into the war.
    Had we not, Russia would have fallen. Russia was lucky German was not able to fight on two fronts.
    And I have never said that Russia played no part, but they were allowed to go into Berlin first for payback. Much to Pattons dismay.
    And if you really want criticism? What did Russia do at the very end of the war. Wall off East and West Berlin, engage in a Cold War for over 50 years, attempt to do just what Hitler did and expand its communist policies accross the globe and spark wars that killed millions more.
    Well, until they got their asses handed to them in Afghanistan.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh look, it's Bush's fault again. It never gets old with you does it?
    I don't owe you anything and will be comfortable making comparisons in every case where the logic carries through. It's best you learned that.

    I'm not even sure what that supposed to mean. What you call "Bush's fault" is just basic causality. If you do things in the present, then you did those things for all time.

    In fifty thousand years Bush will still have done it. In a million. In five million.
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