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    Re: Should we go into Syria

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    Rightwing nutballs mixed in with the hard core commies and every shade inbetween?
    Sure, that sounds accurate enough.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    I voted no, although I don't quite agree with the phrasing of "it's not our problem".

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Have you looked to Iraq? A place where we actually had boots on the ground and was very costly for us, and they seem to be falling back into their old ways again. You can't fix these problems with wars. Why can't you understand this? These wars bring more hatred and terrorism directed towards America. That is the only thing they really accomplish.

    That is an incredibly naive and simplistic response to a very real and complicated issue. How would you suggest we do that? What you seem to want is for America to go over and take over the entire country. Nope, sorry that is NEVER going to happen again, especially under THIS president.

    No, you don't get your message across very well. It seemed to me as if you were blaming the media for where our government chooses to take action or not. So then you didn't answer my question then. Why is our government interested in this atrocity and why is this one so much more important to YOU personally than any other atrocity? Why do you seem so adamant that WE take military actions, being that you admit this is far from the worst.

    As I've stated NUMEROUS times now throughout this thread, we only get 20% at most of our oil from the Saudis. We don't purchase oil from Syria. We get most of OUR oil from Venezuela and Canada and here at home.

    Again you miss the point completely. I give up on you now. I have tried to explain this relatively simple concept to you over and over, and you just aren't getting it. Whether it is ignorance or willful behavior on your part, I cannot say.

    You aren't getting much from it because you either don't understand or you are being willfully ignorant about the points I've made, and you choose to ignore them.

    If you want to remove me from your friends list, feel free. I really don't even know you, so I don't really care one way or another.

    We are STILL in Afghanistan as we speak right now. Are you crazy or something? Why would we want ANOTHER war???? So we can send our children off to die for oil? You must be joking.
    Well, I tried. Guess it did not worked out. Peace.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

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    Well, I tried. Guess it did not worked out. Peace.
    You don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation. An important thing to remember is that our military is made up of people who put their lives on the line. We are not a war machine. We lost over 5000 people during the Iraq war.

    It just seems to me as if you are putting little value on the lives of our service men and women, as if their lives are expendable for causes that really don't concern us.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    We are not a war machine.
    Well, given the vast amount of money, resources and personnel you dedicate to your military, if there is a war machine in existence, it's the US military, no?

    It just seems to me as if you are putting little value on the lives of our service men and women, as if their lives are expendable for causes that really don't concern us.
    I tend to agree, but if you're going to have such a vast force assembled and deployed beyond your borders, what do you think they're for? Why do you believe you need a military as large as the one you have? There's no imminent, clear or present danger to the safety, security and integrity of the USA, is there? If you are thinking of the threat of terrorism on US interests, it's your intelligence and black ops capacity that will deal most effectively with that; not your marines, land army or nuclear strike force.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, given the vast amount of money, resources and personnel you dedicate to your military, if there is a war machine in existence, it's the US military, no?

    I tend to agree, but if you're going to have such a vast force assembled and deployed beyond your borders, what do you think they're for? Why do you believe you need a military as large as the one you have? There's no imminent, clear or present danger to the safety, security and integrity of the USA, is there? If you are thinking of the threat of terrorism on US interests, it's your intelligence and black ops capacity that will deal most effectively with that; not your marines, land army or nuclear strike force.
    Just because we have a big military doesn't mean we are responsible for anything beyond ourselves. I think your POV is ignorant as far as being attacked etc. You certainly cannot predict the future. Obama has made us look like weaklings. We are hurting financially. A lot of people would think the opposite because of these facts. We don't really care what you think about our military, and it's not really your business what we spend our money on. Perhaps you don't understand OUR Constitution, but THAT is one of the jobs of our federal government, unlike forcing citizens to purchase healthcare insurance.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Just because we have a big military doesn't mean we are responsible for anything beyond ourselves. I think your POV is ignorant as far as being attacked etc. You certainly cannot predict the future. Obama has made us look like weaklings. We are hurting financially. A lot of people would think the opposite because of these facts. We don't really care what you think about our military, and it's not really your business what we spend our money on. Perhaps you don't understand OUR Constitution, but THAT is one of the jobs of our federal government, unlike forcing citizens to purchase healthcare insurance.
    There's no need to be so defensive! (See what I did there?) You can spend your hard cash on what you like, but then you can't start getting hissy fits if observers start using terms like 'war machine' when you spend more than the rest of the western world combined on armaments. World opinion tends not to see the accumulation of more and more and more deadly military capacities as the behaviour of a peace-loving nation. But then, since when has American opinion cared much for world opinion? I don't understand why you take offence. These two statements:
    We are not a war machine. We lost over 5000 people during the Iraq war.
    make no sense juxtaposed. War machines do tend to sacrifice quite a lot of their own troops on their adventures. Losing 5000 people during the Iraq war makes the use of the expression more, not less apt.

    The fact is, I believe that most Americans are peace-loving, but your military, political class and corporations very definitely are not. I just wish the inclinations and opinions of most Americans carried more weight than they clearly do.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's no need to be so defensive! (See what I did there?) You can spend your hard cash on what you like, but then you can't start getting hissy fits if observers start using terms like 'war machine' when you spend more than the rest of the western world combined on armaments. World opinion tends not to see the accumulation of more and more and more deadly military capacities as the behaviour of a peace-loving nation. But then, since when has American opinion cared much for world opinion? I don't understand why you take offence. These two statements:

    make no sense juxtaposed. War machines do tend to sacrifice quite a lot of their own troops on their adventures. Losing 5000 people during the Iraq war makes the use of the expression more, not less apt.
    Your opinions don't change the facts. Sorry. Our military is made of people. Losing 5000 people is certainly relevant regardless of whether idiots think we are a "war machine" or not.

    The fact is, I believe that most Americans are peace-loving, but your military, political class and corporations very definitely are not. I just wish the inclinations and opinions of most Americans carried more weight than they clearly do.
    I think you mean to say that in this case our federal government and President Obama are not and constantly overstep their boundaries regardless of the opinions of the people.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Your opinions don't change the facts. Sorry. Our military is made of people.
    So are 'war machines'. Genghis Khan's war machine was made of nothing but people and horses. Yours is made up of people and matériel; quite a lot of matériel, as a matter of fact.

    Losing 5000 people is certainly relevant regardless of whether idiots think we are a "war machine" or not.
    It is very relevant to a lot of things, just not to whether or not your military constitutes a war machine. I don't understand why you are so sensitive about the use of the term.

    I think you mean to say that in this case our federal government and President Obama are not and constantly overstep their boundaries regardless of the opinions of the people.
    I know exactly what I mean to say, and I'm pretty certain that the military-industrial component of your body politic are not the ones trying to dissuade him from taking aggressive action, just as the producers of diabetes medications are not trying to shut down Macdonalds.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So are 'war machines'. Genghis Khan's war machine was made of nothing but people and horses. Yours is made up of people and matériel; quite a lot of matériel, as a matter of fact.
    Yes, all societies are made up of people. Machines are replaceable, but people are not. There is no such thing as a "war machine."

    It is very relevant to a lot of things, just not to whether or not your military constitutes a war machine. I don't understand why you are so sensitive about the use of the term.
    It is a dehumanizing term and a term that desensitizes people to the FACT that Americans die when they go to war.

    I know exactly what I mean to say, and I'm pretty certain that the military-industrial component of your body politic are not the ones trying to dissuade him from taking aggressive action, just as the producers of diabetes medications are not trying to shut down Macdonalds.
    Do you understand the hierarchy? The military does NOT tell the CIC what to do. Quite the opposite. The president is also the one responsible for appointing his advisers when it comes to military actions. Ultimately, the buck stops with him as much as you would like to blame anyone else.

    Unless Bush was the president of course, then it would be all his fault.

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