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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    They were worse under Bush than Obama.

    Nothing quite like invading/controlling two countries and then failing to assist them, not only once, but twice.
    Your first sentence is nonsense, of course - just ask most residents of the middle east today. When Bush said something related to the middle east, the people there sat up and listened because they knew he meant it and was prepared to back up his words. When Obama speaks, just like here in the west, people just change the channel or go back to sleep - they know it's just more hot air from the clown prince of pomposity.

    Secondly, I wasn't aware that the purpose of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to colonize two new American states. The Iraqis by and large are quite pleased to be rid of Sadaam, except for those hangers on who are still trying to be relevant by bombing innocents, but in general they are progressing and have no need for further American assistance. Afghanistan is a little more troublesome, but even someone like you isn't suggesting that America should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go unanswered, are you?
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The problem with Syria is that there was nobody leading for Obama to follow - unlike in Libya where the French led a NATO involvement. Likewise, in Egypt and Iran before it, there's nobody for Obama to follow so he's completely neutralized/paralyzed.

    Say what you want about middle eastern views of America under Bush, they were never as bad as they are now under this excuse of a President.


    The only hope for Obama to get engaged in a matter related to the middle east is if one of their sports teams wins a championship, then he can wine and dine them at the White House. Celebrity hostess is his true calling.



    If Canada wants to unilaterally go in there with support from cpwill to clean up that little mess you guys have my permission.

    Don't forget to formulate an exit plan before you go in there.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your first sentence is nonsense, of course - just ask most residents of the middle east today. When Bush said something related to the middle east, the people there sat up and listened because they knew he meant it and was prepared to back up his words. When Obama speaks, just like here in the west, people just change the channel or go back to sleep - they know it's just more hot air from the clown prince of pomposity.
    Bush was a joke to the Middle East and everyone knew it. He was doing what he was told and at least Obama hasn't been the push around that Bush was with the military. That alone makes him more worthwhile than the previous. Also I hate to break it to you but the Middle East likes Obama a lot more than Bush.

    I'll back that up with actual polls on top of having many friends from Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq.

    Global opinion of Obama
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    Egypt Obama 42% approval Bush 30%

    So let's not base your opinion on nonfactual information.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Secondly, I wasn't aware that the purpose of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to colonize two new American states. The Iraqis by and large are quite pleased to be rid of Sadaam, except for those hangers on who are still trying to be relevant by bombing innocents, but in general they are progressing and have no need for further American assistance. Afghanistan is a little more troublesome, but even someone like you isn't suggesting that America should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go unanswered, are you?
    Naturally they are glad to be rid of the dictator we put in charge in Iraq, it was our mess to begin with yet again. We had to go in 30+ yrs later and try to clean it up. Which is exactly what we did with Afghanistan as well. Only this time we are actually trying to rebuild the country as opposed to just giving the local populace weapons and pretend to be surprised at the rise of a terrorist cell when we refused to help them after the Soviet invasion was thwarted.

    9/11 had to be answered, but the answer wasn't even in Afghanistan which is funny to me the man responsible was found in the neighboring country of Pakistan. I remember saying that Osama was going to flee to Taliban controlled Pakistan right after our invasion of Afghanistan. I wasn't around here then but there were some local forums that I took a lot of flak on for saying that.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Let's see..... two years ago, cpwill said that we should go in just enough to secure Syria's WMD stockpiles and facilities, and remove them, and provide security for refugees trying to flee the fighting.



    ....now, the regime (and possibly the opposition, who is heavily infused with Al Qaeda) are using those stockpiles of WMD's, and over 100,000 people have been killed....


    additionally and perhaps equally or more significantly, the United States has just demonstrated in the worst possible way that it is a feckless, weak-willed nation unwilling to actually back it's talk (at least, under the current administration). The value of the U.S. Security Guarantee just got seriously degraded the world over. Do you know what the most important thing about a threat is? You have to be willing to back it up.
    That is another problem we have cpwill. The United States cannot be trusted to put it in just a little bit and respect anyone in the morning. If you let the U.S. put it in the U.S. is going to **** you and then they are going to spend the night and the next and the next and the U.S. is going to **** you until the U.S. is ready to leave.










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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If Canada wants to unilaterally go in there with support from cpwill to clean up that little mess you guys have my permission.

    Don't forget to formulate an exit plan before you go in there.
    As I've said previously, going into Syria at this time is not an option and I do not support it. That fact doesn't discount the comments I've made here either.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya WM. They are a major culprit in this.....Just like they were with Libya. It was the French who First Officially recognized the Libyan TNC. Then it was them doing the same with the FSA.
    Now its the French out front with their Foot in their Mouth again. Wanting others to get involved and do something.

    How about the French take their ass over there and they do something ALL by themselves. For Once in the last 200 years. Don't talk the talk. Go and show the World if they can Actually muster up on their own. Don't ya just luv that part.....the World has to do something. But not troops on the ground.

    France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons .....

    France says the international community must respond with force if opposition allegations that Syrian forces used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus prove true.

    But French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on Thursday ruled out the use of ground troops.

    Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is also urging international action, saying a "red line" has been crossed in Syria.

    Activists say Syrian forces launched new bombing attacks Thursday in the eastern Ghouta area, where a day earlier the opposition accused government troops of killing many civilians with chemical weapons.....snip~

    France: World Must Respond if Syria Used Chemical Weapons
    VOA 6hrs ago <<<<< More here.

    The French will be there soon. They are short on supplies. They have an order in for 20K white sheets and 80K wooden sticks and are waiting their arrival.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep SL .....check it out.

    UN says there are strong suspicions Syria’s rebels have used chemical weapons.....

    Former war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte said a UN commission has indications that Syrian rebel forces used nerve agent sarin as a weapon in their fight against Assad’s regime – but no evidence that government forces also used sarin as a chemical weapon.

    Del Ponte is on the U.N.’s four-member independent human rights panel probing alleged war crimes and other abuses in Syria. She told Italian-language Swiss public broadcaster SRI in an interview broadcast Sunday night that the indications are based on interviews with victims, doctors and field hospitals in neighboring countries.

    The panel’s investigators have “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” said del Ponte.

    Syria chemical weapons: UN says Syrian rebels used sarin | National Post

    Reuters) – U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria’s civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

    The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

    “Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

    “This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.

    The Grendel Report: U.N. says Syrian rebels used chem weapons, Dem says arm rebels (naturally)
    Well that makes the situation all the more complex and is even more reason to stay out of this mess.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    many years ago, when I was much younger and cruder (if you can believe that) we had a French guy visit our lab. We went out to dinner after work and he was running his mouth talking **** about America and American's. I just looked at him and said "I'm sorry, could you repeat that in English? I don't speak fag".
    I would laugh but that is just so not PC!

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...additionally and perhaps equally or more significantly, the United States has just demonstrated in the worst possible way that it is a feckless, weak-willed nation unwilling to actually back it's talk (at least, under the current administration). The value of the U.S. Security Guarantee just got seriously degraded the world over. Do you know what the most important thing about a threat is? You have to be willing to back it up.
    Spot on! I voted no. Not because it is not our problem, but because our current leadership does not have the attention span to carry out any strategy more extensive or complicated than a drone strike. This has been a problem for liberals ever since Kennedy got us into Vietnam.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Bush was a joke to the Middle East and everyone knew it. He was doing what he was told and at least Obama hasn't been the push around that Bush was with the military. That alone makes him more worthwhile than the previous. Also I hate to break it to you but the Middle East likes Obama a lot more than Bush.

    I'll back that up with actual polls on top of having many friends from Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq.

    Global opinion of Obama
    Global Opinion of Bush

    Egypt Obama 42% approval Bush 30%

    So let's not base your opinion on nonfactual information.

    Naturally they are glad to be rid of the dictator we put in charge in Iraq, it was our mess to begin with yet again. We had to go in 30+ yrs later and try to clean it up. Which is exactly what we did with Afghanistan as well. Only this time we are actually trying to rebuild the country as opposed to just giving the local populace weapons and pretend to be surprised at the rise of a terrorist cell when we refused to help them after the Soviet invasion was thwarted.

    9/11 had to be answered, but the answer wasn't even in Afghanistan which is funny to me the man responsible was found in the neighboring country of Pakistan. I remember saying that Osama was going to flee to Taliban controlled Pakistan right after our invasion of Afghanistan. I wasn't around here then but there were some local forums that I took a lot of flak on for saying that.
    We can all cite polls, I suspect:

    Under Obama, Egyptians

    If you think Obama is well liked in the middle east, good for you - delusion can be comforting for some.
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