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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Indeed. This is partially also why we need to suck China into these agreements. Giving them more power at the same time tying their hands. Russia however, I still feel won't play by the rules. China still has much to prove and knows it can do so by being a good global partner.
    eh, I would more suspect that China has about zero willingness to take any action that would be seen as countenancing the governments do not rightfully exercise total sovereignty within their borders - so long as they continue to be ruled by the CCP they cannot ideologically afford to become involved in actions like this.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This whole posting is doing nothing but white washing the situation cpwill.
    I am not white washing anything. This whole posting - which you refuse to answer specifically because you cannot - is merely a refutation of the claims you are making, which are being driven by emotion rather than reason.

    We all know oil is going to run out eventually, whether that be in 20, 30, 40 years or more. It will happen, and most countries are increasing their use of fossil fuels, not decreasing.
    Sure it will. But the Peak Oil fantasists have been predicting imminent collapse since the early 1900s, and exploitable reserves today are larger than they have ever been. The idea that it's going to drive a collapse in 2030 is about as intellectually legitimate as the claim by many of the same people that we were all going to freeze to death in the 70s, starve to death in the 80s, and choke to death in the 90s.

    It would be a good idea to stop dealing with ME affairs and start working on alternative energy forms and drilling here at home.
    It sure would. It would also be a good idea for everyone to agree to give up our militaries, and never wage war again. Unfortunately, the tragedy of the human condition does not allow for us to pursue the perfect to the point of refusing to pursue the better.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure it will. But the Peak Oil fantasists have been predicting imminent collapse since the early 1900s, and exploitable reserves today are larger than they have ever been. The idea that it's going to drive a collapse in 2030 is about as intellectually legitimate as the claim by many of the same people that we were all going to freeze to death in the 70s, starve to death in the 80s, and choke to death in the 90s.
    Actually, the first time the US government issued a warning that we would exhaust all proven oil reserves within 10 years was in 1866 - nearly a century and a half ago. Doomsayers do not have a very good record of accuracy, but P. T. Barnum was correct when he observed there is a sucker born every minute.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Actually, the first time the US government issued a warning that we would exhaust all proven oil reserves within 10 years was in 1866 - nearly a century and a half ago. Doomsayers do not have a very good record of accuracy, but P. T. Barnum was correct when he observed there is a sucker born every minute.
    studies have shown that either the oil reserves are much larger than originally estimated or they are replenishing themselves abiotically at a much faster rate than previously thought. oil wells in russia, pumped dry in the 60 are now producing again.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Obama attacked Bush (and the GOP) about their foreign policy. Obama blamed the wars he acquired as the reason for the huge debt. Obama continuously says he wants peace. Yet he is doing the same exact thing that Bush did. He is not promoting peace. And he has no excuse to blame Bush for the debt when he is doing the same exact thing. Fix America before we fix other countries. We are bombing Syria because Syria bombed Syria. It makes no sense.
    We are going to drop missiles on civilians to save civilians. Oh, the logic of empire.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    There is no shortage of oil and never will be.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    the logic of the empire
    That'll teach them pesky rebels

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I am not white washing anything. This whole posting - which you refuse to answer specifically because you cannot - is merely a refutation of the claims you are making, which are being driven by emotion rather than reason.
    It isn't a refutation at all! Read it again. You agreed with everything I said, except you keep insisting that we have more than enough sources of oil. Yeah, sure for the time being we have enough. I am talking about in the future.

    Sure it will. But the Peak Oil fantasists have been predicting imminent collapse since the early 1900s, and exploitable reserves today are larger than they have ever been. The idea that it's going to drive a collapse in 2030 is about as intellectually legitimate as the claim by many of the same people that we were all going to freeze to death in the 70s, starve to death in the 80s, and choke to death in the 90s.
    And according to my link, the model has been followed and has been pretty much right on target so far.

    It sure would. It would also be a good idea for everyone to agree to give up our militaries, and never wage war again. Unfortunately, the tragedy of the human condition does not allow for us to pursue the perfect to the point of refusing to pursue the better.
    We don't HAVE to go into Syria at all. The ONLY reason Obama is going is to save face.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I think that you are right..Maybe something is happening behind the scenes that we don't know about yet..
    Yeah, I think there are always things going on that we don't know about. So much for transparency.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    It should be obvious even to a child?

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