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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I don't know, would they?
    Yes, they would. As historic enemies of the ruling elite in Syria, and trying to follow a subservient line to the US/NATO policy direction, Turkey has every motivation for doing so. Add to that the thrust of their Sunni convictions that the Shi'a régime in Damascus is an abomination, you have perfect storm conditions under which the truth has little chance of survival.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Remember those stories about Iraqis dumping babies out of incubators in Kuwait? The truth is the first casualty of war. (I forget who I should attribute that to)
    I don't know how truthful it is, but they sure are using it to their advantage. As if our government REALLY cares? Our government cares about it's assets and the "global community" in terms of currency. They don't care at all about those people but will shamelessly use them as tools of propaganda. It's really quite disgusting what we do sometimes. I wish they would just be honest and tell us the REAL reason why our government is so interested in involving us in this civil war, but then the blind liberal ideologues would never go along with this. Hence the "look at the poor children" approach.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Do you think that they are faked? Do you think that they are falsehoods? Do you think that CNN / FOX / MSNBC / CBC et. al. are "the government"?
    Not necessarily fake but being used as propaganda so people will support these military actions. Of course, everyone knows that nowadays the media is just a government tool.

    And how do you argue that a limited intervention in Syria starts WWIII? The Russians aren't about to come into it for Syria (though they may lend them some quiet aid - material, moral support, backing at the UN, etc), and frankly neither is Iran outside of the kinds of forces (IRGC/Qods) that they have already deployed.
    Perhaps you are not up to date on the latest happenings, including threats made. Perhaps you are so caught up in defending this war that you have missed the world is in chaos right now.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I was right there on overconsumption leading to devaluation until they went into the peak-oil nonsense. Every single prediction made by that crowd in the last century plus has proven wildly off-base.
    Apparently you are wrong. Read the article. Experts say these predictions are on par with what is actually going on. Of course you're free to remain in denial about it if you so choose. Oil supplies are NOT infinite. They WILL run out eventually, especially at the current rate of consumption, and 3rd-world countries who have joined in the "global economy" who are now increasing their consumption of fossil fuels as well.

    In the meantime, the notion that because debt exists we should go ahead and throw global trade to the winds is....
    Bottom line is we need to start looking out for our own interests. According to experts this is unsustainable and is going to have painful consequences.

    ....well, it sort of puts you in the position of the people arguing for the Smoot-Hawley Tarrif. The one that helped kick off the Great Depression.
    As I'm sure you well know, making comparisons to the happenings of today to those in the 1920s and 1930s is rather dim.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Apparently you are wrong. Read the article. Experts say these predictions are on par with what is actually going on.
    "experts" do? Oh, goodness, well, if experts do....


    Experts are all over the map Chris. Everyone cites those they like.

    Of course you're free to remain in denial about it if you so choose. Oil supplies are NOT infinite. They WILL run out eventually, especially at the current rate of consumption,
    Eventually absolutely. In the meantime, however, exploitable reserves have only traveled in one direction over the last hundred years - even as demand has skyrocketed, they have increased .

    and 3rd-world countries who have joined in the "global economy" who are now increasing their consumption of fossil fuels as well.
    Yup. China's rate of increase is about to slow, and India's.... maybe. We'll see if they can get a handle on the rupee.

    Bottom line is we need to start looking out for our own interests.
    I agree. Many of our interests are located in Syria.

    According to experts this is unsustainable and is going to have painful consequences.
    Everything is unsustainable at some point. The United States is unsustainable, as the Earth is going to crash into the sun. The idea that eventually the law of large numbers demands a low-probability high-impact event with the capability of destabilizing the global economy does not justify allowing one to occur or even encouraging it, any more than your own assured eventual death justifies you playing in traffic or refusing to get medical care now.

    As I'm sure you well know, making comparisons to the happenings of today to those in the 1920s and 1930s is rather dim.
    Not really. The same isolationist streak will have the same result - massive job loss, economic destruction, and large increases in poverty, combined with slower growth hindering recovery until we are smart enough to switch back.



    Economic freedom creates economic growth. If you want an example of a nation that has put in place the "let's close off from the world and spend all our resources on ourselves" philosophy, it is named "North Korea".

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    "Evildoers"? Really?
    Are we not one of the biggest evildoers of modern history?
    If it is our job to punish these evil doers, how shall we deal with ourselves?
    No, I think everyone would agree that was the Nazis.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    Economic freedom creates economic growth. If you want an example of a nation that has put in place the "let's close off from the world and spend all our resources on ourselves" philosophy, it is named "North Korea".
    I dont know of anyone claiming we should be isolationist. Rather, people want non intervention.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "experts" do? Oh, goodness, well, if experts do....


    Experts are all over the map Chris. Everyone cites those they like.



    Eventually absolutely. In the meantime, however, exploitable reserves have only traveled in one direction over the last hundred years - even as demand has skyrocketed, they have increased .



    Yup. China's rate of increase is about to slow, and India's.... maybe. We'll see if they can get a handle on the rupee.



    I agree. Many of our interests are located in Syria.



    Everything is unsustainable at some point. The United States is unsustainable, as the Earth is going to crash into the sun. The idea that eventually the law of large numbers demands a low-probability high-impact event with the capability of destabilizing the global economy does not justify allowing one to occur or even encouraging it, any more than your own assured eventual death justifies you playing in traffic or refusing to get medical care now.



    Not really. The same isolationist streak will have the same result - massive job loss, economic destruction, and large increases in poverty, combined with slower growth hindering recovery until we are smart enough to switch back.



    Economic freedom creates economic growth. If you want an example of a nation that has put in place the "let's close off from the world and spend all our resources on ourselves" philosophy, it is named "North Korea".
    This whole posting is doing nothing but white washing the situation cpwill. We all know oil is going to run out eventually, whether that be in 20, 30, 40 years or more. It will happen, and most countries are increasing their use of fossil fuels, not decreasing.

    It would be a good idea to stop dealing with ME affairs and start working on alternative energy forms and drilling here at home.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bingo. That's a degradation back to a Hobbessian world order, and we will end up in more conflict from it, not less.
    Indeed. This is partially also why we need to suck China into these agreements. Giving them more power at the same time tying their hands. Russia however, I still feel won't play by the rules. China still has much to prove and knows it can do so by being a good global partner.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And I don't think that will change anytime soon. Hopefully what's going on now is just posturing.
    Perhaps, but this is a biggie. Chemical weapons on civilian populations is pretty bad. Especially since most of the world has signed up on the weapons banning treaties. It's already bad that North Korea pulled out of the test ban treaty.

    Ultimately the problem isn't Syria. It's the message to everyone else that our threats have no bite. That will have serious consequences down the line.
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