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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And the Turkish authorities would have no reason for fabricating that story, would they?


    I don't know, would they?

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    We should not go to Syria just yet.

    The chemical weapons evidence found in the rebel's quarters could just as easily be a large purposeful spill of insecticide perpetrated by the rebels on their own people simply to bring the U.S. in on their side.

    After all, the rebels do have a considerable al Qaeda element among them, and we know what they're capable of.

    Best now is to support a U.N. watchdog on both sides, composed of people from many nations, while encouraging both sides to find a more peaceful solution.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    From what I'm seeing in tge news, it looks like there's going to be an air raid(s) this week. I'm concerned a out what coud go wrong:

    1. In the spirit of the Middle Eastern dictator human shields, what if Assad makes some lucky guesses and intentionally places a bunch of chemical stockpiles at targets that we strike? Massive secondary explosions of chemical bombs triggered by the US Military. Add some anti-American middle eastern propaganda and its the Great Satan killing tens of thousands of Arabs in its war on Islam under the hypocritical guise of bringing freedom to Syria in or ther to clear the land of people so we can take their oil without much of a native population to deal with. FYI: the generally accepted perception of the US in that part of the world is regardless of our stated goal, ultimately any and all US military action in the Middle East is motivated by oil.h

    2. Inadvertently joining forces with radical extremists that could lead to an Al Qaeda controlled Syruan government. Its pitiful but in Middle Eastern geo-politics there are often no good guys.

    3. Doomsday spoil sport reaction that could lead to attacks on friendly countries in the region.


    Of course, many things could go wrong and the longer we wait the worse it could be... Wouldn't our satellites catch such a movement of chemical weapons? Lebanon and Jordan are already in deep ****.. The Arab League doesn't seem to be resistant to the idea.. Whatever happens, it will always be ****e vs. Sunni, so we don't want to make the same mistakes we have made in Iraq and more followup than we have given to the other Arab Spring countries..but this is supposed to be just a punishment and lesson for Assad for using chemical weapons on his own people....we will have to wait and see...

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Of course, many things could go wrong and the longer we wait the worse it could be... Wouldn't our satellites catch such a movement of chemical weapons? Lebanon and Jordan are already in deep ****.. The Arab League doesn't seem to be resistant to the idea.. Whatever happens, it will always be ****e vs. Sunni, so we don't want to make the same mistakes we have made in Iraq and more followup than we have given to the other Arab Spring countries..but this is supposed to be just a punishment and lesson for Assad for using chemical weapons on his own people....we will have to wait and see...
    Satellites were also supposed to see the wmds in Iraq.

    I don't know. It's an insane region of the world.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Satellites were also supposed to see the wmds in Iraq.

    I don't know. It's an insane region of the world.


    It definitely is an insane region of the world.. If we are going to have to wait until a report has been issued to the U.N., which Britain is now saying, we lose any advantage that we may have had, and the more time they have to move things, hide things or even launch another gas attack..... Plan B--call for the immediate return of Congress and get the ok ...plan C...go for it NOW and fvck the consequences---(probably not) but I feel it is a now or never situation.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    I just LOVE the propaganda our government is feeding us with the pictures of the children and babies. Trying to make us feel bad and guilty so we'll get behind Obama's stupid decision to perhaps start World War III.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The "world economy" is going to collapse. We should concentrate on our own country and forget about the Middle East.

    MIT Predicts That World Economy Will Collapse By 2030 | Popular Science

    Forty years after its initial publication, a study called The Limits to Growth is looking depressingly prescient. Commissioned by an international think tank called the Club of Rome, the 1972 report found that if civilization continued on its path toward increasing consumption, the global economy would collapse by 2030. Population losses would ensue, and things would generally fall apart.

    The study was — and remains — nothing if not controversial, with economists doubting its predictions and decrying the notion of imposing limits on economic growth. Australian researcher Graham Turner has examined its assumptions in great detail during the past several years, and apparently his latest research falls in line with the report’s predictions, according to Smithsonian Magazine. The world is on track for disaster, the magazine says.

    The study, initially completed at MIT, relied on several computer models of economic trends and estimated that if things didn’t change much, and humans continued to consume natural resources apace, the world would run out at some point. Oil will peak (some argue it has) before dropping down the other side of the bell curve, yet demand for food and services would only continue to rise. Turner says real-world data from 1970 to 2000 tracks with the study’s draconian predictions: “There is a very clear warning bell being rung here. We are not on a sustainable trajectory,” he tells Smithsonian.

    Is this impossible to fix? No, according to both Turner and the original study. If governments enact stricter policies and technologies can be improved to reduce our environmental footprint, economic growth doesn’t have to become a market white dwarf, marching toward inevitable implosion. But just how to do that is another thing entirely.
    I was right there on overconsumption leading to devaluation until they went into the peak-oil nonsense. Every single prediction made by that crowd in the last century plus has proven wildly off-base.

    In the meantime, the notion that because debt exists we should go ahead and throw global trade to the winds is....

    ....well, it sort of puts you in the position of the people arguing for the Smoot-Hawley Tarrif. The one that helped kick off the Great Depression.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I just LOVE the propaganda our government is feeding us with the pictures of the children and babies. Trying to make us feel bad and guilty so we'll get behind Obama's stupid decision to perhaps start World War III.
    Do you think that they are faked? Do you think that they are falsehoods? Do you think that CNN / FOX / MSNBC / CBC et. al. are "the government"?

    And how do you argue that a limited intervention in Syria starts WWIII? The Russians aren't about to come into it for Syria (though they may lend them some quiet aid - material, moral support, backing at the UN, etc), and frankly neither is Iran outside of the kinds of forces (IRGC/Qods) that they have already deployed.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You should. Why bother having trade treaties if we don't enforce them? Why bother having tax treaties between nations if we don't enforce them? Why bother having sanctions if we don't enforce them?

    It doesn't matter what they think, it matters if they will enforce their part of their agreements. Moving towards a world that operates its treaties and agreements as little more than "ink on paper" will come to no good for anyone.
    Bingo. That's a degradation back to a Hobbessian world order, and we will end up in more conflict from it, not less.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I just LOVE the propaganda our government is feeding us with the pictures of the children and babies. Trying to make us feel bad and guilty so we'll get behind Obama's stupid decision to perhaps start World War III.
    Remember those stories about Iraqis dumping babies out of incubators in Kuwait? The truth is the first casualty of war. (I forget who I should attribute that to)

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