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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    The "world economy" is going to collapse. We should concentrate on our own country and forget about the Middle East.

    MIT Predicts That World Economy Will Collapse By 2030 | Popular Science

    Forty years after its initial publication, a study called The Limits to Growth is looking depressingly prescient. Commissioned by an international think tank called the Club of Rome, the 1972 report found that if civilization continued on its path toward increasing consumption, the global economy would collapse by 2030. Population losses would ensue, and things would generally fall apart.

    The study was — and remains — nothing if not controversial, with economists doubting its predictions and decrying the notion of imposing limits on economic growth. Australian researcher Graham Turner has examined its assumptions in great detail during the past several years, and apparently his latest research falls in line with the report’s predictions, according to Smithsonian Magazine. The world is on track for disaster, the magazine says.

    The study, initially completed at MIT, relied on several computer models of economic trends and estimated that if things didn’t change much, and humans continued to consume natural resources apace, the world would run out at some point. Oil will peak (some argue it has) before dropping down the other side of the bell curve, yet demand for food and services would only continue to rise. Turner says real-world data from 1970 to 2000 tracks with the study’s draconian predictions: “There is a very clear warning bell being rung here. We are not on a sustainable trajectory,” he tells Smithsonian.

    Is this impossible to fix? No, according to both Turner and the original study. If governments enact stricter policies and technologies can be improved to reduce our environmental footprint, economic growth doesn’t have to become a market white dwarf, marching toward inevitable implosion. But just how to do that is another thing entirely.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post

    Yes! Who do you think gave AQ the funding and arms to get where they are. We are sending both arms and money to the rebels in Syria. Who do you think the rebels are? Who has been caught using chemical weapons? The US openly states that it is funding the rebels. Adjust your blinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    If so, then someone in the US government needs to be tried and executed for treason. Who do you suggest we start with?
    Here's the link that you need. You should read the entire article to have a realistic perspective of these activities.

    Terrorism with a “Human Face”: The History of America’s Death Squads

    "A report published by Der Spiegel pertaining to atrocities committed in the Syrian city of Homs confirms an organized sectarian process of mass-murder and extra-judicial killings comparable to that conducted by the US sponsored death squads in Iraq.

    People in Homs were routinely categorized as “prisoners” (Shia, Alawite) and “traitors”. The “traitors” are Sunni civilians within the rebel occupied urban area, who express their disagreement or opposition to the rule of terror of the Free Syrian Army (FSA):



    “Since last summer [2011], we have executed slightly fewer than 150 men, which represents about 20 percent of our prisoners,” says Abu Rami. … But the executioners of Homs have been busier with traitors within their own ranks than with prisoners of war. “If we catch a Sunni spying, or if a citizen betrays the revolution, we make it quick,” says the fighter. According to Abu Rami, Hussein’s burial brigade has put between 200 and 250 traitors to death since the beginning of the uprising.” (Der Spiegel, March 30, 2012)

    The project required an initial program of recruitment and training of mercenaries. Death squads including Lebanese and Jordanian Salafist units entered Syria’s southern border with Jordan in mid-March 2011. Much of the groundwork was already in place prior to Robert Stephen Ford’s arrival in Damascus in January 2011."
    "Washington and its allies replicated in Syria the essential features of the “Iraq Salvador Option”, leading to the creation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and its various terrorist factions including the Al Qaeda affiliated Al Nusra brigades.


    While the creation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) was announced in June 2011, the recruitment and training of foreign mercenaries was initiated at a much an earlier period.

    In many regards, the Free Syrian Army is a smokescreen. It is upheld by the Western media as a bona fide military entity established as a result of mass defections from government forces. The number of defectors, however, was neither significant nor sufficient to establish a coherent military structure with command and control functions.

    The FSA is not a professional military entity, rather it is a loose network of separate terrorist brigades, which in turn are made up of numerous paramilitary cells operating in different parts of the country.

    Each of these terrorist organizations operates independently. The FSA does not effectively exercise command and control functions including liaison with these diverse paramilitary entities. The latter are controlled by US-NATO sponsored special forces and intelligence operatives which are embedded within the ranks of selected terrorist formations.

    These (highly trained) Special forces on the ground (many of whom are employees of private security companies) are routinely in contact with US-NATO and allied military/intelligence command units (including Turkey). These embedded Special Forces are, no doubt, also involved in the carefully planned bomb attacks directed against government buildings, military compounds, etc.

    The death squads are mercenaries trained and recruited by the US, NATO, its Persian Gulf GCC allies as well as Turkey. They are overseen by allied special forces (including British SAS and French Parachutistes), and private security companies on contract to NATO and the Pentagon. In this regard, reports confirm the arrest by the Syrian government of some 200-300 private security company employees who had integrated rebel ranks."

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well Obama's red line has been crossed and we went into Libya for far less so what do you think? "Residents of Damascus suburbs recount massive assault by Assad army; videos show small children convulsing on the floor, foaming at the nose and mouth. Doctor: Injuries correspond with sarin gas "
    "The men, women and children lying undisturbed in their beds had looked so peaceful they might have been just sleeping, Abu Nidal thought, as he and other rescuers dragged their bodies into the street."

    "His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
    Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews

    We should stay out of it. Let them solve their own problems. Because were going broke and it seems that a lot of times when we help a country it later bites us in the ass.So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't,so I would rather be damned and not spend a dime than to be damned and spend a **** load of money.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Here's the link that you need. You should read the entire article to have a realistic perspective of these activities.

    Terrorism with a “Human Face”: The History of America’s Death Squads
    That belongs over in the Conspiracy Theories forum.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yet your military arm stretches across the globe with military bases in so many countries furthering US agenda and you moan and cry anytime your expected to use this massive military to help anyone
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    Your post is a pretty good example of moaning and crying.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Your post is a pretty good example of moaning and crying.
    I'm not complaining I actually like the US in the position it is currently.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    That belongs over in the Conspiracy Theories forum.
    You asked the question. Now you don't like the historical answer.

    Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post

    If so, then someone in the US government needs to be tried and executed for treason. Who do you suggest we start with?

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree with only your last statement. I don't care about what the rest of the world "thinks." Also, we should only ever help our TRUE allies. Let somebody else take care of it. I'm sick of being the world police. I want them to just leave us the hell alone!!! Go cry to someone else for help for once.
    You should. Why bother having trade treaties if we don't enforce them? Why bother having tax treaties between nations if we don't enforce them? Why bother having sanctions if we don't enforce them?

    It doesn't matter what they think, it matters if they will enforce their part of their agreements. Moving towards a world that operates its treaties and agreements as little more than "ink on paper" will come to no good for anyone.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You should. Why bother having trade treaties if we don't enforce them? Why bother having tax treaties between nations if we don't enforce them? Why bother having sanctions if we don't enforce them?

    It doesn't matter what they think, it matters if they will enforce their part of their agreements. Moving towards a world that operates its treaties and agreements as little more than "ink on paper" will come to no good for anyone.
    And I don't think that will change anytime soon. Hopefully what's going on now is just posturing.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm not terribly worried about Hezbollah retaliating against Israel for two reasons:

    1. Israel can handle herself. Look up "Iron Dome", if you like.
    2. Hezbollah is rather busy, at the moment. Turns out they are embroiled (who knew) in a civil war in Syria.


    I agree that Israel can handle herself, but tho Hezbollah may be helping
    out a bit, don't think that they have forgotten about Israel..

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