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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    In case anyone is curious as to the Muslim sentiment on action against Syria, I listening to this right now. Its an English language radio talk show from the UK that serves the fairly large immigrant Muslim community. Its made up of mostly Pakistani immigrants to the UK and their first generation British born offspring. Although they're not Arab, they are Muslims but are fluent in English and in many ways share common Middle Eastern perspectives. Remember, it was Pakistan that protected and hid Osama Bin Laden from American retaliation for over 10 years and today is holding the Pakistani doctor who informed the US government of his whereabouts in prison under a conviction of treason. It was a Pakistani scientist that cracked the code for nuclear weapons and voluntarily assisted Iran and North Korea in developing nuclear programs in order to create worthy adversaries to America's military supremacy.

    BBC Asian Network - Nihal, 28/08/2013
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This will be a good lesson not just for Syria, but for the rest of the evildoers on this planet.
    "Evildoers"? Really?
    Are we not one of the biggest evildoers of modern history?
    If it is our job to punish these evil doers, how shall we deal with ourselves?

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's bull. We only get a very small percentage of our oil from the ME. Most of our oil comes from Venezuela and Canada. Syria is of MUCH more concern to the Brits. Let THEM deal with it.

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    Yet most all oil, (including our own), is traded like a commodity in an international bidding system.
    This is why when any oil producing country is threatened, our stocks are effected and the price of oil goes up.

    This is also why things like "drill baby drill" are mostly pointless intellectual lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Yet most all oil, (including our own), is traded like a commodity in an international bidding system.
    This is why when any oil producing country is threatened, our stocks are effected and the price of oil goes up.

    This is also why things like "drill baby drill" are mostly pointless intellectual lies.
    Dude, I wish I could click 5 likes on this post. Thanks for offering this important insight.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh looky what the left trots out every time on queue. How about we return tax dollars back to the citizens, that would solve many problems.
    Never happen. That's much too logical (and effective). And most important, it deprives incompetent politicians of power.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think I'm turning into an isolationist.
    No need for that. There's a better option. Support alternatively fuel cars and give the gasoline monopoly on American personal transportation and by extension, control over the American economy some viable competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No need for that. There's a better option. Support alternatively fuel cars and give the gasoline monopoly on American personal transportation and by extension, control over the American economy some viable competition.

    The future of electric cars - Video on NBCNews.com
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Yet most all oil, (including our own), is traded like a commodity in an international bidding system.
    This is why when any oil producing country is threatened, our stocks are effected and the price of oil goes up.

    This is also why things like "drill baby drill" are mostly pointless intellectual lies.
    We need to wash our hands of the ME altogether. It is the most unstable part of the world, and we are idiotic for doing business with most of the countries there. Drilling here at home would make us LESS dependent on ME oil. Yes, OPEC plays a HUGE role in that.

    Read this. It's quite fascinating really.

    Fifty Years to OPEC: Time to Break the Oil Cartel

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    Fifty years ago, five of the world’s top oil producing countries convened in Baghdad to form the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), the most powerful cartel in modern history. Contrary to popular belief, OPEC was not the brainchild of an Arab but of Venezuela’s Energy and Mines minister Juan Pablo Pérez Alfonzo who got fed up with the domination of the petroleum industry by the Seven Sisters, the seven Anglo-American oil companies, and particularly with the Eisenhower Administration’s law that forced quotas on Venezuelan and Persian Gulf oil imports in favor of Canadian and Mexican oil firms. Pérez Alfonzo, who is otherwise known for titling oil “the Devil’s excrement,” convinced his Saudi and Iranian counterparts to join a consortium of major oil producers whose goal would be to “assert its member countries legitimate rights” and to gain “a major say in the pricing of crude oil on world markets.”

    OPEC did just that. In the decades that followed, the cartel nationalized international oil companies’ oil fields and infrastructure assets, and gained the upper hand in price negotiations, turning the Seven Sisters into seven dwarfs whose ability to influence oil prices is virtually nil.

    As their collective power grew, OPEC members discovered the use of oil as an instrument of national power. During the 1967 Six-Day War, Arab oil producers refused to sell oil to western countries that supported Israel, but the war ended so quickly that the world paid little attention. Six years later, when the same exporters imposed a six-month oil embargo and “No Gasoline” signs spread throughout America’s service stations, the economically ruinous oil weapon, exacerbated by counterproductive domestic policies, was felt by all.

    Since then, OPEC has earned a reputation of a club of greedy, non-democratic governments whose oil ministers gather in Vienna every few months to fix the price of crude and, in more than one way, determine our security and economic well being.

    This reputation is well deserved.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    We need to wash our hands of the ME altogether. It is the most unstable part of the world, and we are idiotic for doing business with most of the countries there. Drilling here at home would make us LESS dependent on ME oil. Yes, OPEC plays a HUGE role in that.

    Read this. It's quite fascinating really.

    Fifty Years to OPEC: Time to Break the Oil Cartel

    Here's a snippet ~
    The thing is... it really does not matter where oil is drilled. We can just as easily be outbid on oil drilled in the United States as we can anywhere else.
    But that is only the beginning of the never ending trail of misinformation...

    How do you think oil drilled in the United States actually helps the people of the United States?

    The people of the United States do not own that oil. Almost all of it is owned by International Corporations, most of which are owned mostly by the 1% but some of which are not even mostly American owned.
    When we drill more in the Gulf, this does not enrich America. This merely makes profit for a giant corporation.
    It does not lower the price of oil significantly either.
    It only slightly adjusts the cost of oil by fitting into the global picture. If one rig goes up in the Gulf but one goes offline in Libya, zero effect.

    There are 3 ways it does have a small positive effect:

    #1 Creation of a few dozen jobs.

    #2 Slightly adjusts the overall cost of oil globally, therefore our enemy nations collect slightly less money.
    But take note that it makes no real difference if we pay our enemies for the oil or if someone else does. We still pay the same amount of money. They still collec tthe same amount of money. Therefore this effect is so extremely insignificant it is off the chart.

    #3 It generates tax revenue. However, we still pay the oil companies huge subsidies and they do not pay as much tax as any other business of their income level.
    Therefore this effect is far less than one might assume at first glance.

    All of the main reasons the "drill baby drill" crowd wants to produce more oil are false.
    They are not even producing it for America. They are producing it for corporations that sell to the highest bidder.
    Most who support this concept just do not get it but the ones who push it from the top are well aware of their deceit.

    Another thing to consider is that oil companies will never allow the level of drilling to occur that would lower prices the way we want.
    They simply have no desire to see the price go down too far. No more desire than OPEC does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    The thing is... it really does not matter where oil is drilled. We can just as easily be outbid on oil drilled in the United States as we can anywhere else.
    But that is only the beginning of the never ending trail of misinformation...

    How do you think oil drilled in the United States actually helps the people of the United States?

    The people of the United States do not own that oil. Almost all of it is owned by International Corporations, most of which are owned mostly by the 1% but some of which are not even mostly American owned.
    When we drill more in the Gulf, this does not enrich America. This merely makes profit for a giant corporation.
    It does not lower the price of oil significantly either.
    It only slightly adjusts the cost of oil by fitting into the global picture. If one rig goes up in the Gulf but one goes offline in Libya, zero effect.

    There are 3 ways it does have a small positive effect:

    #1 Creation of a few dozen jobs.

    #2 Slightly adjusts the overall cost of oil globally, therefore our enemy nations collect slightly less money.
    But take note that it makes no real difference if we pay our enemies for the oil or if someone else does. We still pay the same amount of money. They still collec tthe same amount of money. Therefore this effect is so extremely insignificant it is off the chart.

    #3 It generates tax revenue. However, we still pay the oil companies huge subsidies and they do not pay as much tax as any other business of their income level.
    Therefore this effect is far less than one might assume at first glance.

    All of the main reasons the "drill baby drill" crowd wants to produce more oil are false.
    They are not even producing it for America. They are producing it for corporations that sell to the highest bidder.
    Most who support this concept just do not get it but the ones who push it from the top are well aware of their deceit.

    Another thing to consider is that oil companies will never allow the level of drilling to occur that would lower prices the way we want.
    They simply have no desire to see the price go down too far. No more desire than OPEC does.
    Did you read the link? OPEC sets the prices, and you are completely ignoring that fact.

    Perhaps we SHOULD be isolationists. The "global economy" is really hurting us. Anything that happens in any other country in the world is going to affect us now. Doesn't matter what WE do.

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