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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, we refused to get involved directly in Libya because every time we get involved anywhere, left wing bastards and far right bastards spend their time criticizing us. Why don't you socialists give it a shot?
    We did. What do you think Libya, spearheaded by France and Britain, or Mali, spearheaded by France (especially under Socialist President Francois Hollande) represent?

    I'm not of the sort of socialist that organises into petty marches and calls for world union. I think sometimes that Americans get a very skewed view of socialism. Everyone in Europe is socialist to a degree -- I vote for the Labour Party here in Britain, which is part of the Socialist International, and is the second-largest party, not to mention the most likely candidate for the next election.

    When I say socialist, I merely mean that I'm a supporter of the Labour Party in Britain (as well as the Socialist Party in France, and other European Parliament allies). The Debate Politics political-lean choices aren't well suited to the European political spectrum.

    Anyway, I would probably classify the Democratic Party in the United States as very weakly socialist, though they would never say so themselves.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think if we want the UN and NATO to remain credible organisations then we have to go in and put a stop to this genocide or we can march to China/Russia's drum and sit back and do nothing.
    Heya Higgins. But then if we do that and use that argument. Shouldn't we go in and take out any that are committing genocide. Like the Rebels. The MB. The Salafists.

    They will then set up whatever government feigning democracy and still have been responsible for genocide and their coming into power.

    Otherwise why even play the part of hypocrites.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Higgins. But then if we do that and use that argument. Shouldn't we go in and take out any that are committing genocide. Like the Rebels. The MB. The Salafists.

    They will then set up whatever government feigning democracy and still have been responsible for genocide and their coming into power.

    Otherwise why even play the part of hypocrites.

    I think we have to use caution with every incident and be realistic about how much we can prevent. But in this case with potentially hundreds of thousands dead, thousands of refugees flooding into nearby countries threatening to destabilise the entire region and of course the potential use of chemical weapons I think we have to act. I mean its not like the West is rushing into this one considering how long the "civil war' as been going on.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think we have to use caution with every incident and be realistic about how much we can prevent. But in this case with potentially hundreds of thousands dead, thousands of refugees flooding into nearby countries threatening to destabilise the entire region and of course the potential use of chemical weapons I think we have to act. I mean its not like the West is rushing into this one considering how long the "civil war' as been going on.
    Well.....here we wont be able to prevent the country from dividing into 3 regions. This our people should already know. So just making moves to get rid of Assad and Thinking we can give the Country to the MB and the Sunni Muslims. Is a major mistake and truthfully any of our politicians saying otherwise are fools and need to be driven out of office and out to pasture.

    Moreover we already have the words of the Rebels saying no Alawites can be part of anything. That's both the FSA and Al Nusra. So we know they will continue on with the Sectarian killing after Assad is removed.

    Which still leaves all those Christians stuck with being hit by both Sunni and Shia.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....here we wont be able to prevent the country from dividing into 3 regions. This our people should already know. So just making moves to get rid of Assad and Thinking we can give the Country to the MB and the Sunni Muslims. Is a major mistake and truthfully any of our politicians saying otherwise are fools and need to be driven out of office and out to pasture.

    Moreover we already have the words of the Rebels saying no Alawites can be part of anything. That's both the FSA and Al Nusra. So we know they will continue on with the Sectarian killing after Assad is removed.

    Which still leaves all those Christians stuck with being hit by both Sunni and Shia.

    I agree that if we do intervene we need to have a plan in motion for after Assad falls but I honestly don't think we can wait any longer. Its now or never especially given the stance of Obama and Cameron this week, if we back off now we look weak.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I agree that if we do intervene we need to have a plan in motion for after Assad falls but I honestly don't think we can wait any longer. Its now or never especially given the stance of Obama and Cameron this week, if we back off now we look weak.
    I don't think any in the West are in a position to build up 3 countries so they can have Autonomy.

    That's the thing about perception......here one day gone the next. Especially with the way we control the Media. Give it another 6 months. The FSA and the National Council will be out of the Picture. Then we will have a look at who the real players are behind the scenes.

    People here in the US don't even want to do the drive by. So why waste 820k per tomahawk for no real clear gains.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I don't think any in the West are in a position to build up 3 countries so they can have Autonomy.

    That's the thing about perception......here one day gone the next. Especially with the way we control the Media. Give it another 6 months. The FSA and the National Council will be out of the Picture. Then we will have a look at who the real players are behind the scenes.

    People here in the US don't even want to do the drive by. So why waste 820k per tomahawk for no real clear gains.
    were we in a position to intervene in the Balkans given the huge amount of sovereignty and border issues that ensued and still continue to this day?
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I agree that if we do intervene we need to have a plan in motion for after Assad falls but I honestly don't think we can wait any longer. Its now or never especially given the stance of Obama and Cameron this week, if we back off now we look weak.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    were we in a position to intervene in the Balkans given the huge amount of sovereignty and border issues that ensued and still continue to this day?
    Balkan never had accurate borders through all its history.
    Because the wars there changed the borders so many times and no one knows today which land belong to this country or to that country.

    And 1912 was the bad move of the reason the Balkan issue still continues today.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Dumbest reason to attack someone................................. ever.
    Really? Do you know how foreign policy works?

    The minute you start backing down and going back on your word your enemies pounce on it.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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