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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
    Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews
    "Activists" said so huh. So of course it's true. We all know how honest and trustworthy the "activists" in the region are. Anonymous activists are always an impeccable source.

    And that is besides the point. Unlike most UN member states Syria is not a signatory of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Therefore, even if Syria is using chemical weapons against the insurgents & foreign fighters those actions do not constitute a violation of any treaty with the US or UN.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Does anyone really want to be involved in that cluster****?
    Certainly not with the cluster**** leadership we have for now.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Bombing Syria without sending troops is pointless and they know it well.
    By bombing Syria key points won't make the regime fall.
    Bombing is very very expensive. If they intend to bomb Syria just to support rebels, they have to make sure to throw many missiles ($$) because those rebels are so amateurs when it come to war.
    Bombing Syria absolutely can force the collapse of the regime. Moreover those 'amateur' rebels have been able to keep the regime military locked in combat for almost two years.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Bombing Syria without sending troops is pointless and they know it well.

    By bombing Syria key points won't make the regime fall.
    Bombing is very very expensive. If they intend to bomb Syria just to support rebels, they have to make sure to throw many missiles ($$) because those rebels are so amateurs when it come to war.



    Wrong.

    Check out Kosovo. It worked there, with little loss of U.S or other NATO lives.

    Bombs are expensive.

    Taking care of a disabled veteran for his/her entire live is also expensive.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 08-26-13 at 12:32 PM.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Bombing Syria absolutely can force the collapse of the regime. Moreover those 'amateur' rebels have been able to keep the regime military locked in combat for almost two years.
    If by forcing the collapse of the régime the result will be the emergence of one also disposed to commit atrocities, which we have already seen the rebels commit, then what benefit results?
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Bombing Syria absolutely can force the collapse of the regime. Moreover those 'amateur' rebels have been able to keep the regime military locked in combat for almost two years.

    Those "amateur" rebels have been funded and armed by US Intelligence agencies. They are not some spontaneous freedom fighters. As a matter of fact, they seem to be Al Queda scumbags and assorted free lance breeders of violence and murder. You should know better than to even suggest we support these pusillanimous dirtbags.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong.

    Check out Kosovo. It worked there, with little loss of U.S or other NATO lives.
    Kosovo was so different case.

    And Syria is way too much different than Serbia.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Bombing Syria absolutely can force the collapse of the regime. Moreover those 'amateur' rebels have been able to keep the regime military locked in combat for almost two years.
    yes, and in 2 years with the support of CIA they couldn't bring the regime down because it was clearly enough by now that Syrian people does not want so.
    And since they can't beat this regime the way they've been trying 2 years now, let's go bomb them?!

    Syria is not Libya.
    Libya become so independent that made them feel like the GOD of the region. Even Russia started to dislike them.
    Syria is well supported by Russia and Iran.

    And an intervention without UN's mandate is way too stupid, because you break up the war rules and make everyone free will of shooting.
    France and Britain treat eastern countries like they are still their colonies.
    And USA should stop supporting their plans, because simple as hell, France and Britain are too stupid in foreign politics.
    They see the war as an entertainment. They bomb countries and than they let US alone to fix the mess.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If by forcing the collapse of the régime the result will be the emergence of one also disposed to commit atrocities, which we have already seen the rebels commit, then what benefit results?
    A good question. I think Yugoslavia provides a good model for what needs to be done in Syria. The process of pacifying and settling the Yugoslav Wars took years with relatively continuous involvement from the West. An essential component of this was the long process of organizing, training, vetting, and equipping conventional Croatian and Bosnian militaries capable of not only confronting the Serbs but of policing their territories once the war was over in coordination with their political bodies. I think over time the same thing can be accomplished in Syria.

    There absolutely are non-Islamist elements of the Syrian opposition, arguably still a majority of the FSA. My ideal process?

    1. Extend recognition to the SNC and endow it with the power (with oversight) to begin organizing FSA contingents into a democratic Syrian military on rebel territory. The funds and equipment that flow through it and to it's allies in the FSA will give it unique legitimacy and strength. Or do all the aforementioned things but with a newly organized political body that has more credibility than the SNC.

    2. Engage in a limited strategic bombardment campaign to ground the Syrian air force, remove chemical munitions facilities, and when possible Syrian artillery and road movements.

    3. Send advisers like we did in Croatia in conjunction with allies to equip, train, and prepare this new political and military entity in Northern Syria.

    From there you can facilitate a final victory over Assad while simultaneously reducing the popularity of Islamists by making the opposition less desperate and by giving other groups like the FSA far more power than the militias.

    The alternative in my opinion is to watch Syria continue an internecine communal and national conflict for years to come and accept the consequences of that. Syria is going to look rather poorly for a long time no matter what but things can still be done to improve the situation and its future prospects.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    yes, and in 2 years with the support of CIA they couldn't bring the regime down because it was clearly enough by now that Syrian people does not want so.
    And since they can't beat this regime the way they've been trying 2 years now, let's go bomb them?!

    Syria is not Libya.
    Libya become so independent that made them feel like the GOD of the region. Even Russia started to dislike them.
    Syria is well supported by Russia and Iran.

    And an intervention without UN's mandate is way too stupid, because you break up the war rules and make everyone free will of shooting.
    France and Britain treat eastern countries like they are still their colonies.
    And USA should stop supporting their plans, because simple as hell, France and Britain are too stupid in foreign politics.
    They see the war as an entertainment. They bomb countries and than they let US alone to fix the mess.
    Western support has been extraordinarily limited. Your characterization is also very odd for someone who lists their location as Albania...

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