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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    91% against. Good to see that theres something we all can agree on. I think we should let the UN handle this one.
    Anyone else besides the United States would be fine by me.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not sure what the second part means, but I like the first part.
    Russia is spending lot of money in army, especially in Navy.
    If no one see them at close they will become a big machine from nowhere, like Nazi did.
    I don't believe they are weak, and I doubt a lot their silence for so long.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Russia is spending lot of money in army, especially in Navy.
    If no one see them at close they will become a big machine from nowhere, like Nazi did.
    I don't believe they are weak, and I doubt a lot their silence for so long.
    They are certainly no where near the threat they once were. You make a valid point though. In another decade or two, who knows?

    I agree that we should not make any deep cuts into our military budget, except for maybe to cut out some wasteful spending.

    Since 2000 Russia's Defense Spending Has Almost Tripled (But It Still Isn't A Threat To The West) - Forbes

    As I hope the graph makes clear, it’s just not possible to say that the Kremlin’s conventional forces are “declining.” Even in a system like Russia’s, where corruption eats deeply into the budget, a tripling of real spending will have some impact on the actual readiness and capability of the armed forces. And so it would seem obvious the 2013 version of the Russian military is better than the 2000 version.

    Does that mean that Russia’s conventional forces are formidable or that they’ve regained their Soviet-era peak? No. In comparison to the United States,’ and to those of other leading NATO members, Russia’s armed forces are still unwieldy, poorly trained, and obsolete. But they’re more maneuverable, better trained, and marginally more technologically advanced than they were 13 years ago. That’s not an exacting standard, back in 2000 Russia’s armed forces were as dangerous to their own personnel as they were to any enemy, but it’s yet another example of the weird trajectory/level confusion that afflicts a lot of Western scholarship on Russia. Russia’s armed forces are still weak but they’re quite a bit stronger than they used to be, just like Russia is not particularly wealthy but is wealthier than it was in the recent past.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well Obama's red line has been crossed and we went into Libya for far less so what do you think? "Residents of Damascus suburbs recount massive assault by Assad army; videos show small children convulsing on the floor, foaming at the nose and mouth. Doctor: Injuries correspond with sarin gas "
    "The men, women and children lying undisturbed in their beds had looked so peaceful they might have been just sleeping, Abu Nidal thought, as he and other rescuers dragged their bodies into the street."

    "His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
    Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews
    The phrasing of the poll is indicative of the biggest problem when discussing Syria. The public and far too many people on this board are under the impression that intervention in Syria means sending troops. This could not be further from possible contemplation nor is it anywhere close to whats necessary.

    Should we invade Syria? No. Should we bomb Assad and support those rebels whom we choose to patronize? Yes.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The phrasing of the poll is indicative of the biggest problem when discussing Syria. The public and far too many people on this board are under the impression that intervention in Syria means sending troops. This could not be further from possible contemplation nor is it anywhere close to whats necessary.

    Should we invade Syria? No. Should we bomb Assad and support those rebels whom we choose to patronize? Yes.
    Maybe you would find this article interesting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/op...ins.html?_r=1&

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria - Telegraph

    Article starts off strong but back pedals.
    Even so, it looks like we might be attacking Syria soon.
    I guess Obama is not reading our poll... sigh

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I guess Obama is not reading our poll... sigh
    Or the Reuters poll which says 60% of Americans DON'T want Syria intervention.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post

    Should we invade Syria? No. Should we bomb Assad and support those rebels whom we choose to patronize? Yes.
    Bombing Syria without sending troops is pointless and they know it well.
    By bombing Syria key points won't make the regime fall.
    Bombing is very very expensive. If they intend to bomb Syria just to support rebels, they have to make sure to throw many missiles ($$) because those rebels are so amateurs when it come to war.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im having a hard time understanding this....... Are you saying we SHOULD go into Syria?
    Partly. I maintain my original position - that Syria is a place where we have huge national interests, and that we should utilize a targeted campaign to dismantle their integrated air defense system capability, secure or destroy their WMD stocks, and provide cover to fleeing civilians. We don't need to invade, or even seek to ensure one sides' victory over the other, but we do need to ensure that WMD's do not get loose, doing so will require serving some of our national interests (the dismantlement of some of Syria's C2 functions), and we should also utilize what force we have to mitigate or minimize the mass human suffering taking place on the ground.

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