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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%
  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%

  • Total voters
    166
Anyone on this planet who doesn't like the fact that the USA and its allies are going to punish

Syria for using chemical weapons on its own citizens will just have to grit their teeth and deal with it.

This will be a good lesson not just for Syria, but for the rest of the evildoers on this planet.

Tell your country to deal with it. It's more your problem than ours.
 
Yeah, everyone else wants the United States to do their dirty work for them. Then, once we leave the place, they can go around and tell us what douchebags we are. Eff you! I'm sick and tired of this crappola.
 
Yeah, everyone else wants the United States to do their dirty work for them. Then, once we leave the place, they can go around and tell us what douchebags we are. Eff you! I'm sick and tired of this crappola.

Yet your military arm stretches across the globe with military bases in so many countries furthering US agenda and you moan and cry anytime your expected to use this massive military to help anyone.
 
Yet your military arm stretches across the globe with military bases in so many countries furthering US agenda and you moan and cry anytime your expected to use this massive military to help anyone.

We should only use our military strength when WE want to. Not when YOU or others want us to. Syria is NOT our problem. All these other countries that want "action" from the US should piss off! Handle it your damn selves.
 
We should only use our military strength when WE want to. Not when YOU or others want us to. Syria is NOT our problem. All these other countries that want "action" from the US should piss off! Handle it your damn selves.

the UK has been handling these kind of conflicts for a number of years and if you look at a map Syria is also no where near us however because of the humanitarian issues and the use of chemical weapons it has become our problem. If you don't want the US involved then I suggest you write to your congressmen and request that the US close all its worldwide bases and pull back all her forces to her own borders because right now it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it.
 
We should only use our military strength when WE want to. Not when YOU or others want us to. Syria is NOT our problem. All these other countries that want "action" from the US should piss off! Handle it your damn selves.


I'm sure we'll be a big help to the people of Syria by bringing more war and death to them.
 
the UK has been handling these kind of conflicts for a number of years and if you look at a map Syria is also no where near us however because of the humanitarian issues and the use of chemical weapons it has become our problem. If you don't want the US involved then I suggest you write to your congressmen and request that the US close all its worldwide bases and pull back all her forces to her own borders because right now it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it.

If I don't want it. Have you looked at the poll results. Very FEW Americans want to intervene in Syria. Obviously, your country needs to grow some balls and stop asking the US to do your dirty work. Leave us alone.
 
If I don't want it. Have you looked at the poll results. Very FEW Americans want to intervene in Syria. Obviously, your country needs to grow some balls and stop asking the US to do your dirty work. Leave us alone.

lol you think the UK went cap in hand to the US asking for help? No that's not how it works you see your in charge and you tell us what to do, seriously some of you need to get this idea out of your head that the US is this knight in shining armour saving the world. You have bases all over the world, you spy on us and you acquire key intelligence from British bases, you have the most powerful military the world has ever seen and you use it to help US agenda. Don't get me wrong the UK is no saint either but this idea that countries pressure the US into these conflicts is laughable. You do what you want and we follow.
 
That's bull. We only get a very small percentage of our oil from the ME. Most of our oil comes from Venezuela and Canada. Syria is of MUCH more concern to the Brits. Let THEM deal with it.

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I understand this but as long the Middle East is in turmoil, its affect on the global oil supply triggers increased demand and costs on oil not originating in the Middle East. If Saudi Arabia supplies only 8% of US oil, why do you think it was so important to our vital interests that we put US taxpayers on the hook and stationed a costly US military presence there to enforce the Southern No-Fly-Zone?

BTW, it was the US military presence in the Islamic Holy land country of Mecca there to enforce Southern No-Fly-Zone ultimately motivated the 9/11 attacks. Mostly Saudis who had been raised in the Saudi Arabian Wahhabi Madrassa public school system felt compelled to drive out the infidels and Crusaders because the filthy rich Saudi Royals I suppose figured if they indoctrinated their population from childhood on the most devout form of Islam possible, they wouldn't need to worry about the population rising up and wanting to share in the wealth of their county's only natural resource because they'd be so focused on rejecting materialism. Ooops...Unintended side affect- No association with infidels especially not defiling the holy land by living in Saudi Arabia and worse as a military power in order to keep fellow Muslims under subjection in neighboring Iraq. Plus killing infidels is an act of spiritual service of which great reward is granted in the afterlife all financed by 8% of our gas purchases.
 
In case anyone is curious as to the Muslim sentiment on action against Syria, I listening to this right now. Its an English language radio talk show from the UK that serves the fairly large immigrant Muslim community. Its made up of mostly Pakistani immigrants to the UK and their first generation British born offspring. Although they're not Arab, they are Muslims but are fluent in English and in many ways share common Middle Eastern perspectives. Remember, it was Pakistan that protected and hid Osama Bin Laden from American retaliation for over 10 years and today is holding the Pakistani doctor who informed the US government of his whereabouts in prison under a conviction of treason. It was a Pakistani scientist that cracked the code for nuclear weapons and voluntarily assisted Iran and North Korea in developing nuclear programs in order to create worthy adversaries to America's military supremacy.

BBC Asian Network - Nihal, 28/08/2013
 
This will be a good lesson not just for Syria, but for the rest of the evildoers on this planet.

"Evildoers"? Really?
Are we not one of the biggest evildoers of modern history?
If it is our job to punish these evil doers, how shall we deal with ourselves?
 
That's bull. We only get a very small percentage of our oil from the ME. Most of our oil comes from Venezuela and Canada. Syria is of MUCH more concern to the Brits. Let THEM deal with it.

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Yet most all oil, (including our own), is traded like a commodity in an international bidding system.
This is why when any oil producing country is threatened, our stocks are effected and the price of oil goes up.

This is also why things like "drill baby drill" are mostly pointless intellectual lies.
 
Yet most all oil, (including our own), is traded like a commodity in an international bidding system.
This is why when any oil producing country is threatened, our stocks are effected and the price of oil goes up.

This is also why things like "drill baby drill" are mostly pointless intellectual lies.

Dude, I wish I could click 5 likes on this post. Thanks for offering this important insight.
 
Oh looky what the left trots out every time on queue. How about we return tax dollars back to the citizens, that would solve many problems.

Never happen. That's much too logical (and effective). And most important, it deprives incompetent politicians of power.
 
Yet most all oil, (including our own), is traded like a commodity in an international bidding system.
This is why when any oil producing country is threatened, our stocks are effected and the price of oil goes up.

This is also why things like "drill baby drill" are mostly pointless intellectual lies.

We need to wash our hands of the ME altogether. It is the most unstable part of the world, and we are idiotic for doing business with most of the countries there. Drilling here at home would make us LESS dependent on ME oil. Yes, OPEC plays a HUGE role in that.

Read this. It's quite fascinating really.

Fifty Years to OPEC: Time to Break the Oil Cartel

Here's a snippet ~

Fifty years ago, five of the world’s top oil producing countries convened in Baghdad to form the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), the most powerful cartel in modern history. Contrary to popular belief, OPEC was not the brainchild of an Arab but of Venezuela’s Energy and Mines minister Juan Pablo Pérez Alfonzo who got fed up with the domination of the petroleum industry by the Seven Sisters, the seven Anglo-American oil companies, and particularly with the Eisenhower Administration’s law that forced quotas on Venezuelan and Persian Gulf oil imports in favor of Canadian and Mexican oil firms. Pérez Alfonzo, who is otherwise known for titling oil “the Devil’s excrement,” convinced his Saudi and Iranian counterparts to join a consortium of major oil producers whose goal would be to “assert its member countries legitimate rights” and to gain “a major say in the pricing of crude oil on world markets.”

OPEC did just that. In the decades that followed, the cartel nationalized international oil companies’ oil fields and infrastructure assets, and gained the upper hand in price negotiations, turning the Seven Sisters into seven dwarfs whose ability to influence oil prices is virtually nil.

As their collective power grew, OPEC members discovered the use of oil as an instrument of national power. During the 1967 Six-Day War, Arab oil producers refused to sell oil to western countries that supported Israel, but the war ended so quickly that the world paid little attention. Six years later, when the same exporters imposed a six-month oil embargo and “No Gasoline” signs spread throughout America’s service stations, the economically ruinous oil weapon, exacerbated by counterproductive domestic policies, was felt by all.

Since then, OPEC has earned a reputation of a club of greedy, non-democratic governments whose oil ministers gather in Vienna every few months to fix the price of crude and, in more than one way, determine our security and economic well being.

This reputation is well deserved.
 
We need to wash our hands of the ME altogether. It is the most unstable part of the world, and we are idiotic for doing business with most of the countries there. Drilling here at home would make us LESS dependent on ME oil. Yes, OPEC plays a HUGE role in that.

Read this. It's quite fascinating really.

Fifty Years to OPEC: Time to Break the Oil Cartel

Here's a snippet ~

The thing is... it really does not matter where oil is drilled. We can just as easily be outbid on oil drilled in the United States as we can anywhere else.
But that is only the beginning of the never ending trail of misinformation...

How do you think oil drilled in the United States actually helps the people of the United States?

The people of the United States do not own that oil. Almost all of it is owned by International Corporations, most of which are owned mostly by the 1% but some of which are not even mostly American owned.
When we drill more in the Gulf, this does not enrich America. This merely makes profit for a giant corporation.
It does not lower the price of oil significantly either.
It only slightly adjusts the cost of oil by fitting into the global picture. If one rig goes up in the Gulf but one goes offline in Libya, zero effect.

There are 3 ways it does have a small positive effect:

#1 Creation of a few dozen jobs.

#2 Slightly adjusts the overall cost of oil globally, therefore our enemy nations collect slightly less money.
But take note that it makes no real difference if we pay our enemies for the oil or if someone else does. We still pay the same amount of money. They still collec tthe same amount of money. Therefore this effect is so extremely insignificant it is off the chart.

#3 It generates tax revenue. However, we still pay the oil companies huge subsidies and they do not pay as much tax as any other business of their income level.
Therefore this effect is far less than one might assume at first glance.

All of the main reasons the "drill baby drill" crowd wants to produce more oil are false.
They are not even producing it for America. They are producing it for corporations that sell to the highest bidder.
Most who support this concept just do not get it but the ones who push it from the top are well aware of their deceit.

Another thing to consider is that oil companies will never allow the level of drilling to occur that would lower prices the way we want.
They simply have no desire to see the price go down too far. No more desire than OPEC does.
 
The thing is... it really does not matter where oil is drilled. We can just as easily be outbid on oil drilled in the United States as we can anywhere else.
But that is only the beginning of the never ending trail of misinformation...

How do you think oil drilled in the United States actually helps the people of the United States?

The people of the United States do not own that oil. Almost all of it is owned by International Corporations, most of which are owned mostly by the 1% but some of which are not even mostly American owned.
When we drill more in the Gulf, this does not enrich America. This merely makes profit for a giant corporation.
It does not lower the price of oil significantly either.
It only slightly adjusts the cost of oil by fitting into the global picture. If one rig goes up in the Gulf but one goes offline in Libya, zero effect.

There are 3 ways it does have a small positive effect:

#1 Creation of a few dozen jobs.

#2 Slightly adjusts the overall cost of oil globally, therefore our enemy nations collect slightly less money.
But take note that it makes no real difference if we pay our enemies for the oil or if someone else does. We still pay the same amount of money. They still collec tthe same amount of money. Therefore this effect is so extremely insignificant it is off the chart.

#3 It generates tax revenue. However, we still pay the oil companies huge subsidies and they do not pay as much tax as any other business of their income level.
Therefore this effect is far less than one might assume at first glance.

All of the main reasons the "drill baby drill" crowd wants to produce more oil are false.
They are not even producing it for America. They are producing it for corporations that sell to the highest bidder.
Most who support this concept just do not get it but the ones who push it from the top are well aware of their deceit.

Another thing to consider is that oil companies will never allow the level of drilling to occur that would lower prices the way we want.
They simply have no desire to see the price go down too far. No more desire than OPEC does.

Did you read the link? OPEC sets the prices, and you are completely ignoring that fact.

Perhaps we SHOULD be isolationists. The "global economy" is really hurting us. Anything that happens in any other country in the world is going to affect us now. Doesn't matter what WE do.
 
The "world economy" is going to collapse. We should concentrate on our own country and forget about the Middle East.

MIT Predicts That World Economy Will Collapse By 2030 | Popular Science

Forty years after its initial publication, a study called The Limits to Growth is looking depressingly prescient. Commissioned by an international think tank called the Club of Rome, the 1972 report found that if civilization continued on its path toward increasing consumption, the global economy would collapse by 2030. Population losses would ensue, and things would generally fall apart.

The study was — and remains — nothing if not controversial, with economists doubting its predictions and decrying the notion of imposing limits on economic growth. Australian researcher Graham Turner has examined its assumptions in great detail during the past several years, and apparently his latest research falls in line with the report’s predictions, according to Smithsonian Magazine. The world is on track for disaster, the magazine says.

The study, initially completed at MIT, relied on several computer models of economic trends and estimated that if things didn’t change much, and humans continued to consume natural resources apace, the world would run out at some point. Oil will peak (some argue it has) before dropping down the other side of the bell curve, yet demand for food and services would only continue to rise. Turner says real-world data from 1970 to 2000 tracks with the study’s draconian predictions: “There is a very clear warning bell being rung here. We are not on a sustainable trajectory,” he tells Smithsonian.

Is this impossible to fix? No, according to both Turner and the original study. If governments enact stricter policies and technologies can be improved to reduce our environmental footprint, economic growth doesn’t have to become a market white dwarf, marching toward inevitable implosion. But just how to do that is another thing entirely.
 
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Yes! Who do you think gave AQ the funding and arms to get where they are. We are sending both arms and money to the rebels in Syria. Who do you think the rebels are? Who has been caught using chemical weapons? The US openly states that it is funding the rebels. Adjust your blinders.

If so, then someone in the US government needs to be tried and executed for treason. Who do you suggest we start with?

Here's the link that you need. You should read the entire article to have a realistic perspective of these activities.

Terrorism with a “Human Face”: The History of America’s Death Squads

"A report published by Der Spiegel pertaining to atrocities committed in the Syrian city of Homs confirms an organized sectarian process of mass-murder and extra-judicial killings comparable to that conducted by the US sponsored death squads in Iraq.

People in Homs were routinely categorized as “prisoners” (Shia, Alawite) and “traitors”. The “traitors” are Sunni civilians within the rebel occupied urban area, who express their disagreement or opposition to the rule of terror of the Free Syrian Army (FSA):



“Since last summer [2011], we have executed slightly fewer than 150 men, which represents about 20 percent of our prisoners,” says Abu Rami. … But the executioners of Homs have been busier with traitors within their own ranks than with prisoners of war. “If we catch a Sunni spying, or if a citizen betrays the revolution, we make it quick,” says the fighter. According to Abu Rami, Hussein’s burial brigade has put between 200 and 250 traitors to death since the beginning of the uprising.” (Der Spiegel, March 30, 2012)

The project required an initial program of recruitment and training of mercenaries. Death squads including Lebanese and Jordanian Salafist units entered Syria’s southern border with Jordan in mid-March 2011. Much of the groundwork was already in place prior to Robert Stephen Ford’s arrival in Damascus in January 2011."
"Washington and its allies replicated in Syria the essential features of the “Iraq Salvador Option”, leading to the creation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and its various terrorist factions including the Al Qaeda affiliated Al Nusra brigades.


While the creation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) was announced in June 2011, the recruitment and training of foreign mercenaries was initiated at a much an earlier period.

In many regards, the Free Syrian Army is a smokescreen. It is upheld by the Western media as a bona fide military entity established as a result of mass defections from government forces. The number of defectors, however, was neither significant nor sufficient to establish a coherent military structure with command and control functions.

The FSA is not a professional military entity, rather it is a loose network of separate terrorist brigades, which in turn are made up of numerous paramilitary cells operating in different parts of the country.

Each of these terrorist organizations operates independently. The FSA does not effectively exercise command and control functions including liaison with these diverse paramilitary entities. The latter are controlled by US-NATO sponsored special forces and intelligence operatives which are embedded within the ranks of selected terrorist formations.

These (highly trained) Special forces on the ground (many of whom are employees of private security companies) are routinely in contact with US-NATO and allied military/intelligence command units (including Turkey). These embedded Special Forces are, no doubt, also involved in the carefully planned bomb attacks directed against government buildings, military compounds, etc.

The death squads are mercenaries trained and recruited by the US, NATO, its Persian Gulf GCC allies as well as Turkey. They are overseen by allied special forces (including British SAS and French Parachutistes), and private security companies on contract to NATO and the Pentagon. In this regard, reports confirm the arrest by the Syrian government of some 200-300 private security company employees who had integrated rebel ranks."
 
Well Obama's red line has been crossed and we went into Libya for far less so what do you think? "Residents of Damascus suburbs recount massive assault by Assad army; videos show small children convulsing on the floor, foaming at the nose and mouth. Doctor: Injuries correspond with sarin gas "
"The men, women and children lying undisturbed in their beds had looked so peaceful they might have been just sleeping, Abu Nidal thought, as he and other rescuers dragged their bodies into the street."

"His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews


We should stay out of it. Let them solve their own problems. Because were going broke and it seems that a lot of times when we help a country it later bites us in the ass.So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't,so I would rather be damned and not spend a dime than to be damned and spend a **** load of money.
 
Yet your military arm stretches across the globe with military bases in so many countries furthering US agenda and you moan and cry anytime your expected to use this massive military to help anyone
.




Your post is a pretty good example of moaning and crying.
 
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