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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    But hey I guess we might find out, eh?
    You'd better not. A war in the ME could spiral into a full scale world war with horrific consequences.
    There have been multiple warnings by astrologists, seers and analysts.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    You'd better not. A war in the ME could spiral into a full scale world war with horrific consequences.
    There have been multiple warnings by astrologists, seers and analysts.
    Good point. Imagine how awful it would be if there were American troops in the Middle East, or if we ever used (for example) drones to strike targets there.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Good point. Imagine how awful it would be if there were American troops in the Middle East, or if we ever used (for example) drones to strike targets there.
    We don't have to imagine how awful it would be, we can see the evidence of how awful it would be by looking at the mayhem that is the broken, failed state of Iraq; a legacy of collapse, criminality and sectarianism. It was a terrible place to live under Saddam. It's quite an achievement of Western influence that it is even worse after his removal.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    We don't have to imagine how awful it would be, we can see the evidence of how awful it would be by looking at the mayhem that is the broken, failed state of Iraq
    Yeah, Iraq. Because Iraq is so much worse right now than Syria. Or Libya (where our actions matched roughly what is under discussion), which has seen millions and millions of casualties

    a legacy of collapse, criminality and sectarianism. It was a terrible place to live under Saddam. It's quite an achievement of Western influence that it is even worse after his removal.
    Dude, I've been there, and you're going to have to sell that line of bull to someone else. Even in Fallujah (which did pretty well under Saddam), the people were telling us it was better after than before. Iraq absolutely has its' problems and its' conflicts, but the civilian casualties there over eight years match Syria's over two years. Iraq at least has a (poorly, agreeably) functioning government; Syria is a chaotic whirlwind of blood.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm very wary of intervening. A lot of times countries will beg for our help and then
    [QUOTE]when all is said and done
    they adopt the attitude of "we hate you America, look what you've done to our country!" And then we're the bad guys.[/QUOTE]




    I noticed a good while ago that when all is said and done a lot more gets said than is ever done.

    The big problem for the USA in Syria is that no matter which side wins the result will not be good for the USA.

    So the best thing for the USA in Syria is that the current conflict carry on forever.

    On the plus side that would be good for arms merchants.




    I noted that the overwhelming majority of those who voted in the poll agree that going into Syria is not a good idea for the USA.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    [/I][/B]they adopt the attitude of "we hate you America, look what you've done to our country!" And then we're the bad guys.

    I noticed a good while ago that when all is said and done a lot more gets said than is ever done.

    The big problem for the USA in Syria is that no matter which side wins the result will not be good for the USA.

    So the best thing for the USA in Syria is that the current conflict carry on forever.

    On the plus side that would be good for arms merchants.

    I noted that the overwhelming majority of those who voted in the poll agree that going into Syria is not a good idea for the USA.

    If the US joins the fray it will own the war and all its dead. No one will remember the alternative. It is the same in Iraq or Afghanistan.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, Iraq. Because Iraq is so much worse right now than Syria. Or Libya (where our actions matched roughly what is under discussion), which has seen millions and millions of casualties



    Dude, I've been there, and you're going to have to sell that line of bull to someone else. Even in Fallujah (which did pretty well under Saddam), the people were telling us it was better after than before. Iraq absolutely has its' problems and its' conflicts, but the civilian casualties there over eight years match Syria's over two years. Iraq at least has a (poorly, agreeably) functioning government; Syria is a chaotic whirlwind of blood.
    Yeah, it's all great in Libya and Iraq these days, isn't it?

    A very close friend of mine has been working in Iraq for an international humanitarian organisation for 4 years now. I hear first-hand accounts of how it is. Forgive me if I accord those greater weight than the bluster of neo-con propaganda.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I think Putin is calling Obama's bluff and it's working.

    They see the US as weak and vulnerable.
    One of the great mistakes Obama has made was his Red Line. If he does nothing he will not look like the man who spoke softly and carried a big stick.
    That will cost us hugely in future conflicts. This is very serious stuff.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yeah, it's all great in Libya and Iraq these days, isn't it?

    A very close friend of mine has been working in Iraq for an international humanitarian organisation for 4 years now. I hear first-hand accounts of how it is. Forgive me if I accord those greater weight than the bluster of neo-con propaganda.

    Jailbreaks and suicide bombers push Iraq back towards anarchy
    We all believe what we want. And to tell you the truth I think your friend is right. I would not like to have to live in Iraq. But I would not habe liked it before that either. As a matter of fact, I have looked at the numbers and the present condition is not really very much different than before. The number of deaths might even be lower than under the dictatorship and it is different people who are dieing.

    But what do you expect? It takes decades to establish good societies. Anyone that criticizes the present situation is not being real or is looking for justification to keep our treasure at home. That is totally legitimate. But it has nothing to do with the present state of Iraq.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    We all believe what we want. And to tell you the truth I think your friend is right. I would not like to have to live in Iraq. But I would not habe liked it before that either. As a matter of fact, I have looked at the numbers and the present condition is not really very much different than before. The number of deaths might even be lower than under the dictatorship and it is different people who are dieing.

    But what do you expect? It takes decades to establish good societies. Anyone that criticizes the present situation is not being real or is looking for justification to keep our treasure at home. That is totally legitimate. But it has nothing to do with the present state of Iraq.
    So, all those trillions of dollars, all those lives and for what? A post-invasion Iraq that is substantially the same as it was under Saddam. The difference being the civilian body count is far higher than it was under Saddam.
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