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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    They were worse under Bush than Obama.

    Nothing quite like invading/controlling two countries and then failing to assist them, not only once, but twice.


    The Arabs in the Middle East seem to disagree with you.


    Bush trumps Barack in the Arab world: President Obama is proving an embarrassing flop in the Middle East – Telegraph Blogs
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    Today’s eye-opening IBOPE Zogby International poll for the Arab American Institute Foundation should be a wake-up call to the White House on its failing foreign policy. After two and a half years of bashing Israel, appeasing rogue regimes such as Iran and Syria, and promising a new era of relations with the Muslim world, Washington is now less popular in major Arab countries than it was when George W. Bush was in the White House.
    The poll surveys Arab opinion in six countries: Morocco, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, and reveals that “Arabs see the Obama Administration’s handling of most Middle East policy issues as having made no contribution to improving US-Arab relations. Only on the issue of the “no-fly zone over Libya” do a majority of Saudis and plurality of Lebanese see a positive contribution.”
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your first sentence is nonsense, of course - just ask most residents of the middle east today. When Bush said something related to the middle east, the people there sat up and listened because they knew he meant it and was prepared to back up his words. When Obama speaks, just like here in the west, people just change the channel or go back to sleep - they know it's just more hot air from the clown prince of pomposity.

    Secondly, I wasn't aware that the purpose of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to colonize two new American states. The Iraqis by and large are quite pleased to be rid of Sadaam, except for those hangers on who are still trying to be relevant by bombing innocents, but in general they are progressing and have no need for further American assistance. Afghanistan is a little more troublesome, but even someone like you isn't suggesting that America should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go unanswered, are you?

    In both cases, extensive and unrelenting air strikes would have been preferred. The Middle East is not worth one more drop of American blood.

    The clown prince of pomposity. Love it!
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Bush was a joke to the Middle East and everyone knew it. He was doing what he was told and at least Obama hasn't been the push around that Bush was with the military. That alone makes him more worthwhile than the previous. Also I hate to break it to you but the Middle East likes Obama a lot more than Bush.

    I'll back that up with actual polls on top of having many friends from Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq.

    Global opinion of Obama
    Global Opinion of Bush

    Egypt Obama 42% approval Bush 30%

    So let's not base your opinion on nonfactual information.

    Naturally they are glad to be rid of the dictator we put in charge in Iraq, it was our mess to begin with yet again. We had to go in 30+ yrs later and try to clean it up. Which is exactly what we did with Afghanistan as well. Only this time we are actually trying to rebuild the country as opposed to just giving the local populace weapons and pretend to be surprised at the rise of a terrorist cell when we refused to help them after the Soviet invasion was thwarted.

    9/11 had to be answered, but the answer wasn't even in Afghanistan which is funny to me the man responsible was found in the neighboring country of Pakistan. I remember saying that Osama was going to flee to Taliban controlled Pakistan right after our invasion of Afghanistan. I wasn't around here then but there were some local forums that I took a lot of flak on for saying that.


    In your poll, it showed confidence in obama in Egypt at 28% and dropping like a stone in a pond.

    Zogby has him at 5% in Egypt.

    I wonder which survey talked to the survivors and what day.
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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Depends on the mode of engagement, there was hardly overwhelming opposition in Libya or in Iraqi Kurdistan as there was no attempt at nation building in either case, in a worst case scenario logistical support could be offered to Turkey. Erdogan gets to look like a hard main and an major regional crisis is averted, everyone wins.
    I think thats what we're (sort of) doing now. Maybe. It's a no-win situation (for America) either way.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    They see us as a paper tiger because our leader has no balls, no intelligence and no experience.

    An empty suit.
    That's not only horrible, it's friggin dangerous.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No idea. Where's is their aircraft carrier at the moment?
    Still practicing.

    Do you know what an aircraft carrier is without an aircraft carrier group?

    Er, you think they'd just bluster and do nothing should US troops launch an incursion into Syria? I don't believe they would sit on their hands.
    No, they would bluster, yell, accuse us of all kinds of mean things, strategically message our partner nations in the Gulf Region, and if they could they would probably (as quietly as possible) aid the Syrian's. Because the U.S. military is still light-years away from anyone else, kinetic force-on-force; and China and Russia paid pretty good attention to what happened to a military a generation to a generation and a half back when they tried to go toe-to-toe 3GW setting. But their ability to do so through Med ports would be severely constrained if not nil, choking their ability to do so. Furthermore, they lack the ability to project that much force that far within the time window allotted - a raid to secure a WMD cache isn't exactly a 6 year occupation.


    But hey. It looks like we may be able to put your theory to the test. If the U.S. does what I said we should have done years ago, and begins conducting limited strikes against specific objectives in Syria, you'll be able to tell us when and if Russia and China respond by "putting boots on the ground"

    They won't. Because Syria is not worth risking getting into even a limited shooting war with the United States to either of them (especially China. Russia has solid reasons for wishing to maintain the Syrian regime. China mostly just doesn't want to set precedents). But hey I guess we might find out, eh?

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well said.

    Does anyone, other than myself, find it somewhat ironic that some folks, from one side of their mouth say that America reflects a weakened image by not acting as the world's policemen and with the other side of their mouth warn us how dangerous China is, who have avoided international interventions for as long as I can remember, as they are now such a 'super power."

    If China can grow and prosper by keeping their noses out of other nation's pissing matches, why can't the US?
    I wouldn't say they are anywhere close to becoming a superpower - though their aim is regional hegemony and we are fools if we think they don't intend to get it. But the reason they are able to maintain a reduced international profile (and they have been altering that posture as well, lately) is because - like Europe - they are able to grow through free-riding on the U.S. security guarantee, which we provide in order to maintain our own economy.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    ...but we aren't and we won't. We're going to help other nations secure theirs, though...ineptocracy.
    well, the biggest problem we have at ours is illegal immigration. Violence spills up too - but not in proportion. That's a bit different from an actual threat force.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    These deaths are in NO WAY on Obama's hands.

    Syria is ultimately NOT our responsibility.
    Oh no? The 'Line" he drew was crossed months ago. He's all talk and no stones. He should be the president of France.

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    Re: Should we go into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    Oh no? The 'Line" he drew was crossed months ago. He's all talk and no stones. He should be the president of France.
    I don't want us to really do much about Syria, except for maybe similar to what we did in Libya, then it's up to the Syrians.

    I have to agree though that the president's "line drawing" and failure to back that up with any action makes us look weak.

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