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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Everybody just does the best that they can, I agree. I wish that people would just own up to that. I, for one, am not judging moms that go to work instead of staying home, but I think that they should be realistic and not try to justify what they choose at the expense of moms that stay home.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    1069 is trying to justify her guilt IMO. Not guilt at being a bad mom, I am sure that she is a good mom, the guilt is for not wanting to spend as much time with her kids (waking and functional hours) as with she does with work.

    This whole thread is about WHAT IS BEST FOR THE FAMILY AND THE KIDS. You railed everybody in the last one for questioning why parents choose to do other things than be with their kids. Nobody is going off on you for choosing to work instead of stay home and interact with your kids. Why are you going off on moms that choose to make their kids their priority?
    Really? You think that didn't come off as a personal attack?

    As for the decline of society..what decline? People live longer, are healthier, Discrimination is illegal (unless you're gay). Technology allows us to connect with others across the globe, diseases like polio have been wiped out....etc etc etc.
    People having different kinds of families or relationships or ways of raising their children is not a decline, it's called democracy and how others chose to raise their children or with whom they chose to raise their children is no one else's business.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    As for the decline of society..what decline? People live longer, are healthier, Discrimination is illegal (unless you're gay). Technology allows us to connect with others across the globe, diseases like polio have been wiped out....etc etc etc.
    People having different kinds of families or relationships or ways of raising their children is not a decline, it's called democracy and how others chose to raise their children or with whom they chose to raise their children is no one else's business.
    Are you saying that we are not even allowed to discuss it then?

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Originally Posted by Willow
    Really? You think that didn't come off as a personal attack?
    Not even close to a personal attack. I didn't insult her, I just gave a reason (an intelligent and psychological reason) why she was saying what she was saying. I even asked questions prompting her to think about her comments and brought up a past instance as an example.

    Saying that she is trying to justify something is not the same as calling her a hypocrite or something else derogatory.

    I think that you are just being sensitive about this. That is not an attack either BTW.

    As for the decline of society..what decline? People live longer, are healthier, Discrimination is illegal (unless you're gay). Technology allows us to connect with others across the globe, diseases like polio have been wiped out....etc etc etc.
    People having different kinds of families or relationships or ways of raising their children is not a decline, it's called democracy and how others chose to raise their children or with whom they chose to raise their children is no one else's business.
    Who is talking about a society in "decline"? ** Looks around **

    It is conflicting to say that we raise our kids in a "Democracy" but then say that it is nobody else's business how a parent raises their kid. Perhaps you are not familiar with what a Democratic Government entails, because if society deems a parental action inappropriate, they can make it illegal, and THAT means that it is and was other people's business and they did something about it.

    Example: The Anti-Spanking legislation that is trying to make its way through Congress right now.

    Don't argue with me, argue with Democracy that they have no right telling a parent how to parent.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    No single thing can cause an action. Multiple items together cause actions.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Not even close to a personal attack. I didn't insult her,
    So implying she didn't "want" to spend time with her children isn't insulting? Whatever it was it certainly wasn't
    an intelligent and psychological reason)
    It was a cheap misogynistic shot.

    Are you saying that we are not even allowed to discuss it then?

    Discussion is healthy, try not to get too upset.
    Discussion is one thing, blame is another. From your posts it seems as if you are blaming all society's ills on women and their role in the family. The last comment is just childish.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Don't argue with me, argue with Democracy that they have no right telling a parent how to parent.
    Society certainly has a right to impose rules for the safety and welfare of children who are too young to protect themselves from abusive parents or other adults who mean them harm.

    Example: The Anti-Spanking legislation that is trying to make its way through Congress right now.
    "Trying" being the operative word. I doubt it will pass.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    how others chose to raise their children or with whom they chose to raise their children is no one else's business.
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    Society certainly has a right to impose rules for the safety and welfare of children
    This appears to be a contradiction.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    So implying she didn't "want" to spend time with her children isn't insulting? Whatever it was it certainly wasn't It was a cheap misogynistic shot.

    Discussion is one thing, blame is another. From your posts it seems as if you are blaming all society's ills on women and their role in the family.
    Thank you, Willow; please know that this malarky doesn't really bother me.
    I'm awfully content with my life, and people like you and I do comprise, of course, the majority; it's not like anyone outside this weird, fringy minority (which happens to be a bit over-represented here on DebatePolitics.com) really believes that either children or society in general would benefit, either individually or collectively, if women were to retreat en masse from the public sector and return to being housewives.


    The last comment is just childish.
    We must try to be tolerant of BodiSatva's occasionally odd and broken syntax; I believe English is his second language. He does awfully well with it, though, all things considered, and only occasionally sounds as if he's filtering his posts through Babelfish or some other free (ie, "substandard") translation program.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    This appears to be a contradiction.
    No choosing to raise your child alone or with whatever kind of family you have is no one's business. Harming a child is a different story, sad that you can't see that.

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