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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    [Percentage of adults who view certain behavior as morally acceptable (2003)
    61% of adults view gambling as a morally acceptable behavior.
    Enjoying sexual thoughts or fantasies about someone 59%
    Living with someone of the opposite sex without being married, sometimes called co-habitation 60%
    Having an abortion 45%
    Having a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex to whom you are not married 42%
    Looking at pictures of nudity or explicit sexual behavior 38%
    Using profanity (36%)
    Getting drunk (35%)
    Having a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex 30%
    Using drugs not prescribed by a medical doctor 17%
    How can an abortion possibly be viewed as more morally acceptable than cursing , drinking, or viewing porn?
    Thats just f-u-c-k-ed up thinking right there.
    I think this poll is bit screwed up, enjoying sexual fantasies or thoughts about someone was answered acceptable by 59%, and I would be willing to bet it is practiced by 100%. Having a sexual relationship with someone to whom you are not married was answered acceptable by 42% and yet studies show the practice is 95%.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Again with the "wanted" children. More hor$e$hit as it implies that all these millions of fatherless children would be better off dead. Again if you ask those kids the majority will tell you otherwise. Abortion has not ensured that all biologically parents are valuing their children. These kids would be far better off in intact homes with present fathers but that doesn't meant that death is preferable when the ideal is not there.
    Preventing eggs from being fertilized in the first place is the best way to avoid unwanted kids. Abortion is a last resort, not a primary method.

    It is quite obvious to me whats happened. Secular humanism has taken over. Happiness isn’t what it use to be, that’s for sure. Today….. amorality leads to happiness, especially sexual promiscuity. The family itself and whats good for the family has been replaced by self-gratification and immediate pleasure.
    The only things affected by "secular humanism" in the list you mentioned were the amount of kids born out of wedlock. Violent crime and prisons have nothing to do with it. First all, many marriages used to be forced and caused even worse problems than having one parent. Single parents must overcome hurdles, but thats nothing compared to 2 parents who hate each other.


    My career, my job, my hobbies, my sexual pleasure, my view of the world……..what I want, what I need, what I can get…………and it doesn’t matter how I get it, just so I am the one who makes out big and that I am the one that is happy, cause its ALL ABOUT ME. Its not about my family, my spouse, my neighbors, my fellow man, my community, my country, my responsibilities and especially my GOD. I am the one that matters FIRST.
    That was just a true back then as it was today. People just concealed their motives more. 95% of all adults today had pre-marital sex. They just lied about it back in the day.

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    61% of adults view gambling as a morally acceptable behavior.[/QUOTE

    Gambling is either an entertainment you pay for or an occupation. Sure people often waste money with it, but thats stupid not immoral.

    Enjoying sexual thoughts or fantasies about someone 59%
    Uh human beings are designed to do it. Its normal and healthy.

    Living with someone of the opposite sex without being married, sometimes called co-habitation 60%
    Ever had a roommate? Even if they are in a relationship, whats wrong with this?

    Having an abortion 45%
    Abortion thread is a better place to argue this.

    Having a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex to whom you are not married 42%
    Considering 95% of Americans engaged in said behavior, half of them are hypocritical.

    Looking at pictures of nudity or explicit sexual behavior 38%
    Looking at porn isn't great, but how does it hurt anybody?

    Using profanity (36%)
    What is this, middle school? Swearing just lets you communicate negative feelings. Gosh darn and god damn mean exactly the same thing.

    Getting drunk (35%)
    Getting drunk can lead to immoral behavior, but it doesn't have to. Liver probably doesn't like it though.

    Having a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex 30%
    Doesn't hurt anybody.

    Using drugs not prescribed by a medical doctor 17%
    Again, depends on how you act under the influence of said drugs.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Originally Posted by doughgirl
    IMO there is a deteriorating moral climate of America that has everything to do with what we see today regarding the nuclear family. Abortion, sex habits and orientation, promiscuity, suicide, drugs, violence…..all affect the climate. And it certainly seems like the traditional family is a thing of the past or will be shortly if trends keep going the way they are
    This is what the "Why does Society Hate Families" threads were about and everybody tried to railroad that thread into the ground. Society is becoming more accepting of trends and values that promote, yes PROMOTE, instability and disunity among families and communities.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Grannie said, “Please note that including children in your day and packing them along with you does not guarantee that one is paying more attention to them. Sometimes children get more attention from adults in daycare where activities are planned for the children's benefit”


    But then shipping them off to day care every day doesn’t mean they are getting it there either. Most day cares are full of kids. Do you think every kid in every day care gets quality attention? Quality love and nurturing? Is the day care settting equal to one in the home that parents might provide even if at times they are busy?


    I always knew if I was with my parents whether they were busy or not, it was just about being with them that mattered. Being with them physically was important. I knew they cared because they could have shipped me off and payed someone else to watch me. My mother could have worked.

    I was blessed however to have a mother who chose to stay at home to take care of us. She had a degree, a career and she chose to stay home.

    When I look back, the majority of my friends mothers did the same thing. I think that generation did a lot of self-sacrificing that the present generation is not willing to do, even if its in the childs best interest. Because as a few posters here have pointed out, many parents work whether they have to or not.

    So the kids go to day care every day all day, then they get babysitters on weekends or week night when the parents relax and play.


    I know that for many families both need to work and that is unfortunate because kids are the ones who suffer. I watch my cousin take her kids to daycare every day. The day care (her company provides) is like a four star resort. She or her husband drops them off at 7 in the morning and picks them up at 5 every night. Sometimes later if she has to work late. This day care is open until 10 at night. They get the best food, play on state of the art jungle gyms, nap on down filled comforters………but does this take the place of parents doing the same things? I don’t think so.

    Like I said knowing my mom was just there whether she could give me her undivided attention or not meant a lot. I know some here will laugh but I learned how to cook, clean, sew, wallpaper, paint and manage a household just by watching her. You think that wasn’t an assest when I became a wife and mother? She was my role model, the one I looked to for everything. I still did until she died a few years ago. I wont take her number off my cell phone, I look at it every day and just smile. When I’m depressed, down and out……..I thank the dear Lord for my mother and I take great comfort in remembering the times I spent as a child just being with her. Even though I had a degree and could have sent my kids to day care I chose to stay at home and do the exact same thing my mom did for me. She never considered it a sacrifice. I only started working when my children were in high school. I was totally blessed.

    My mom had to share her time between three children. How many kids do most day care workers have to juggle?

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    I'd probably put more of the blame on dad for 2 parent working families than on moms. The amount of college graduate women is far smaller than the amount of college educated working mothers. If the parent with the best job opportunity worked, then statistically we should have a lot more stay at home dads.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'd probably put more of the blame on dad for 2 parent working families than on moms. The amount of college graduate women is far smaller than the amount of college educated working mothers. If the parent with the best job opportunity worked, then statistically we should have a lot more stay at home dads.
    Most college educated moms, if married, are married to college educated men. Many of them are opting to stay home and raise their kids. Makes sense to me as they're the ones who "get pregnant" and more and more well off educated moms are breastfeeding which is also something easier done by mom than dad. Personally I think they have the best of both worlds. Since they are educated they will never have to feel "stuck" in a marriage and they are staying home because they want to but are fully capable of taking care of themselves financially if the need to do so arises.

    Men are of bigger concern because the number of them earning degrees is dropping. That is a problem because the average degree having woman marries a man with a degree or a man who makes decent money. So what will happen to all these men who aren't getting a decent education? Plus as more and more women become the major breadwinner in the family what then becomes the role for men? Seems to me men are floundering. I suspect it's because such high numbers of men are raised without male role models and aren't shown or taught what it means to be a man.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Most college educated moms, if married, are married to college educated men. Many of them are opting to stay home and raise their kids. Makes sense to me as they're the ones who "get pregnant" and more and more well off educated moms are breastfeeding which is also something easier done by mom than dad. Personally I think they have the best of both worlds. Since they are educated they will never have to feel "stuck" in a marriage and they are staying home because they want to but are fully capable of taking care of themselves financially if the need to do so arises.
    Many women wish to have both careers and children. They would not appreciate you telling them that they should be satisfied staying at home. Why shouldn't women wish for both considered that men have enjoyed them for years?

    Plus as more and more women become the major breadwinner in the family what then becomes the role for men?
    They can stay home and take care of the kids then.

    Seems to me men are floundering. I suspect it's because such high numbers of men are raised without male role models and aren't shown or taught what it means to be a man.
    Your assumption is that men should be the working parent. That is simply incorrect, as their are far more important factors in determining such a decision than gender.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Many women wish to have both careers and children. They would not appreciate you telling them that they should be satisfied staying at home. Why shouldn't women wish for both considered that men have enjoyed them for years?
    The women with college degrees who are opting to stay home are doing so in large numbers because they want to stay home! They are happiest staying at home! They could work if they wanted too but they don't want to they prefer to stay home. So they find a man as educated as themselves to be the breadwinner.



    They can stay home and take care of the kids then.
    Fathers can stay home and some do. But what I am saying is that most women, especially highly educated well off women, actually seem to prefer staying home themselves. Men seem to prefer working.



    Your assumption is that men should be the working parent. That is simply incorrect, as their are far more important factors in determining such a decision than gender.
    I'm not meaning to say that. What I am saying is that statistics seem to be showing that women who are highly educated and well off are trending towards a desire to be a "stay at home mom" or a mom that works out of the home. There are men that stay home but women on average seem to prefer to be the one who stays home.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    The women with college degrees who are opting to stay home are doing so in large numbers because they want to stay home! They are happiest staying at home! They could work if they wanted too but they don't want to they prefer to stay home. So they find a man as educated as themselves to be the breadwinner.
    That is a completely unsupported statement. Many women would express extreme anger towards such a condescending viewpoint.

    Fathers can stay home and some do. But what I am saying is that most women, especially highly educated well off women, actually seem to prefer staying home themselves. Men seem to prefer working.
    And Jews tended to live in Ghettos because they prefered them?

    I'm not meaning to say that. What I am saying is that statistics seem to be showing that women who are highly educated and well off are trending towards a desire to be a "stay at home mom" or a mom that works out of the home. There are men that stay home but women on average seem to prefer to be the one who stays home.
    Your assumption is that they stay at home because they want to. The assumption is flawed, because many women are forced to choose between the two. Stay at home dads are quite rare, and very often a woman must pick one or the other. They may choose to stay at home, but that doesn't that don't also want careers. It just means that they are more willing to make sacrifices.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    I agree talloulou but this is what they came up with and it indicates obviously what society thinks. And its this logic, this line of thinking that has us where we are today.

    People today do not value life. I just heard on television at the noon news that teen suicide was way up.( numbers from the Center for Disease Control) Why?
    Why are our teens killing themselves? Why wasnt teen suicide an issue when I was young? Why are the numbers growing?

    How can any compassionate loving person, a human being capable of such love also have sides of complete hate for some humans, even the unborn child? I think people know how i feel about abortion so I dotn have to go into it. How can anyone condone the dismemberment of an unborn child. I questions anyones morals who beleives this I'm sorry.

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