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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    A woman would rather get her career going, wait until she is 35 to have a baby, when the rate of Birth Defects rises dramatically, geta C-Section, hire a nanny or put them in day care so that she can go to yoga, etc. What the hell is wrong with the better educated Liberals that do this.
    This is caused by employers attitude towards women who have kids. Many women wait until later to have kids so they can establish a strong enough career that having a kid won't ruin it.

    And now you justify it. People no longer have to sacrafice their CAREER? Instead they sacrafice their family and children.

    why do they both have careers? There is no need. We create the world that we live in. People can do without many things.
    Having a good steady income is a benefit to the family. However, I agree that in many cases that kids would benefit from having more contact with their parents. Thats why I proposed part time jobs. If thats not possible, than the choice for who works and stays at home should be decided by who has the better job, not pointless gender roles. We need to have more stay at home dads.

    Most of the issues are due to Liberals and Liberal Policies. Not all are bad, by any means, but by not addressing the REAL issues, you are just playing the PC game and not really saying anything
    None of the reasons I listed have anything to do with liberal policies. Unless you consider women entering the workforce to be a "liberal" thing.

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    joke Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Originally Posted by rathi
    This is caused by employers attitude towards women who have kids. Many women wait until later to have kids so they can establish a strong enough career that having a kid won't ruin it.
    Do you see the inherent flaw in this line of thinking?

    I agree that in many cases that kids would benefit from having more contact with their parents.
    I think that you need to make a correction and say "in all cases kids would benefit from having more contact with parents that want to be parents FIRST"

    None of the reasons I listed have anything to do with liberal policies. Unless you consider women entering the workforce to be a "liberal" thing
    Sufferagettes / Progressivism / Liberalism / Whatever you want to call it, yes I do.

    I would also add that most of what Liberalism IS regarding individuality is selfish in nature.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Do you see the inherent flaw in this line of thinking?
    Indeed I do. Corporations needs to recognize that female employees are going to have kids and not penalize them for it.

    I think that you need to make a correction and say "in all cases kids would benefit from having more contact with parents that want to be parents FIRST"
    Thats the problem in todays world. Having enough money to provide your kid with a decent lifestyle is just as vital as sharing "quality time." A family might be able to raise a better kid if they spend more time with them, but then he gets shot because they live in a bad neighborhood because they couldn't afford better. Raising a kid requires both time and money.

    Sufferagettes / Progressivism / Liberalism / Whatever you want to call it, yes I do.
    You think that conservatives are opposed to women voting and entering the workforce? You might want to ask a few. I doubt that very many will agree with you.

    I would also add that most of what Liberalism IS regarding individuality is selfish in nature.
    You think that women working is selfish? I be more inclined to say that if one parent needs a job and the other needs to stay home, the person able to get a better job should work and the other should stay home.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Originally Posted by rathi
    You think that conservatives are opposed to women voting and entering the workforce? You might want to ask a few. I doubt that very many will agree with you.
    I didn't say that I think that conservatives are opposed to women voting and entering the workforce. I said that I consider women entering the workforce to be a "liberal" thing. I, personally, have no problem with it though.

    Originally Posted by rathi
    You think that women working is selfish? I be more inclined to say that if one parent needs a job and the other needs to stay home, the person able to get a better job should work and the other should stay home.
    No. Women working is not selfish. I feel that Liberalism promotes individuality and individuality is selfish in nature if it is not altruistic or insightful. Individuality is not a bad thing though. I feel that women wanting a career and kids is selfish if they are going to put their job ahead of their kids unless it is mandatory for Survival. I know lots of parents that can't wait to go back to work, they want their lives back. They are selfish. They are also viewed as great parents by others that I know, though they daycare is raising their kids. Just my opinion.

    Originally Posted by rathi
    Indeed I do. Corporations needs to recognize that female employees are going to have kids and not penalize them for it.
    Agreed.

    Originally Posted by rathi
    Thats the problem in todays world. Having enough money to provide your kid with a decent lifestyle is just as vital as sharing "quality time." A family might be able to raise a better kid if they spend more time with them, but then he gets shot because they live in a bad neighborhood because they couldn't afford better. Raising a kid requires both time and money.
    Agreed. But people also want more than they need, and once people realize this they will also realize that they are being selfish and not giving their kids what they really needed, but what they thought they needed. Materialism. People don't "Need" two cars or a 4 bedroom house for a family of four or a vacation to New York or Hawaii every year. People don't "need" these things, they want them. They sacrafice what is best for the kids in order to chase a needless dream. Kids generally still turn out fine, but that is not the point either.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    The New York Times, which based its report on an analysis of census results, said 51 percent of women in 2005 reported living without a spouse, up from 35 percent in 1950 and 49 percent in 2000.

    "Coupled with the fact that in 2005 married couples became a minority of all American households for the first time, the trend could ultimately shape social and workplace policies, including the ways government and employers distribute benefits," the newspaper said.

    It said that several factors are behind the shift including women marrying at a later age and living with partners for more often and for longer periods. Women are also living longer as widows and once divorced, often opt to stay single, the report said.


    Majority of US women living without spouse - Yahoo! News

    What is this invisible factor that is leading us down a path of single people, single mothers (voluntary ones at least), dead-beat fathers, etc.? What is it? Why are we seeing less married people and broken or disjointed families more and more?

    Yes, this is an extension of the last thread, so for all of you that can't fathom reality to save your life, this should be fun.
    Just because a lady works and has a job,, as is the media promoted norm in our country, does not mean that the person is against marraige.

    to do anything about this, like going back to traditional life styles, would never work. Women and Men are equal, as citizens of the uSA, of the world, and as children of God. We live on planet that is becoming overcrowded and overused. Maybe having as many families is not necessary. I don't know the answer. Who knows what is needed in the future.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Is it reasonable to say that society hates families just because establishing them has become less common? Maybe alot of people, years ago, established families because that was what was expected, but were never really enthusiastic about doing so.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Selfishness. Go back to the pre-divorce era and you see a bunch of married people who didn't appear to obsess on their kids nearly as much. They didn't divorce and generally mom stayed home along with the other moms on the block to raise the wee ones. The kids were raised in "stable" homes which is probably one of the most important things you could do for a kid.

    Nowadays you have parents who seem to obsess on their kids to a ridiculous degree but many of them aren't providing "stable" homes. Little kids are watching their parents date other people. The parents might read 50+ books on the best way to raise johnny and jenny but they're still sending them off to daycare during the day and going out on dates at night! Many women believe the whole idea of "fatherhood" is optional. In other words the father of her kids is only as important and she decides to make him. A large portion of divorced fathers give in and give up ridiculously deciding that the kid is better off with the wife and her new boyfriend conveniently freeing him up to bow out.

    It's all just selfishness. We appear to care and obsess over our kids more than ever but the truth is they've fallen all the way to the bottem of our priorities and the obsessing is just smoke and mirrors for appearance sake.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post


    Thats the problem in todays world. Having enough money to provide your kid with a decent lifestyle is just as vital as sharing "quality time." A family might be able to raise a better kid if they spend more time with them, but then he gets shot because they live in a bad neighborhood because they couldn't afford better. Raising a kid requires both time and money.


    There are many families where both parents absolutely have to work but there are many more where one parent could stay home but that would mean giving up some material things and many are too selfish to do so.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Originally Posted by Talloulou
    There are many families where both parents absolutely have to work but there are many more where one parent could stay home but that would mean giving up some material things and many are too selfish to do so.
    THAT'S what I'm talkin about!
    And then I shout, "WHAT ABOUT 'WHAT IS BEST FOR THE KIDS'?!!!"

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Utah View Post
    Originally Posted by Talloulou
    There are many families where both parents absolutely have to work but there are many more where one parent could stay home but that would mean giving up some material things and many are too selfish to do so.
    THAT'S what I'm talkin about!
    And then I shout, "WHAT ABOUT 'WHAT IS BEST FOR THE KIDS'?!!!"
    You guys are idolizing the 50's. Believe me, it wasn't that great. In all of history before that, women worked in the family stores, on the family farm, etc. and while they had their children with them, they didn't dedicate their entire days to them. In that brief period of time, the fifties, when men "worked" and women "didn't" (actually, women ended up with a 24/7 work schedule and were often exhausted from it), men generally paid little attention to child-rearing, so children were deprived of a father's attention. In a relationship, the one with the money has the power, so women were left powerless, men felt because they were the wage-earners, they were entitled to a maid/cook/nanny,etc. at home. Women generally had less education, so for financial reasons they were stuck in the relationship. Today, women not only want the socialization that comes from the job, they want to make use of their expensive educations, and for many careers, it is not practical to take off for a few years. The kids are not necessarily the losers because of this, they are generally getting MORE attention from Dads and they are generally getting as much attention from Moms as they did historically.

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