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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Other than stereotypes based on select evidence, your claim is based on nothing else (so it's baseless).


    I've posted plenty of counter evidence to your claims - for example in the earlier 1900s, a girl could be married at age 10 and forced marriages were common. I guess by your standard that would be considered a "good family arrangement" as long as the girl never left her husband.
    You are falling into the assumption trap. My claim has base, and look out, Ten is thanking you and that isn't a good sigh in this discussion. Your arranged marriage scenario is ridiculous, not to mention a completely abnormal age to be married off. Provide evidence that this was ever a norm... good luck.

    The Nuclear Family Model has worked for thousands of years...
    Mother - Children - AND Father

    There is no argument that can justify that a good mother and mother can be superior to a good father and mother, all things being equal.

    The fact that people will not be married but be together and have kids is one thing...
    The fact that women will get divorced and be forced to be a single mother is another...

    The fact that women will CHOOSE to be single mothers is bad enough...
    (Yes, have a one-Nighter and get pregnant and then try to dump the guy...
    I knew two, so don't start with "that doesn't happen garbage)

    The fact that women will knowingly seek out artificial means to have a child without a father in a Lesbian relationship shows that there is no respect for family or men, and the fact that people will support a woman in her selfish desire, not support an "Oooops" but support the whole structure that Knowingly puts kids into a fatherless situation and tries to justify this decision as if it is healthy... to raise a child out of balance...

    Well, this goes to show how insane people are...being understanding to the selfish mothers hopes and dreams is one thing...
    Openly supporting and accepting this selfish choice and ultimate action is ridiculously insulting and selfish...

    Am I being Conservative? Not really...just practical.

    Just wait until they come up with the technology to allow a man to inseminate an egg in an artificial womb that will see it grow and develop into a healthy baby that is "Born" to a single father with no deed of a nagging wife... Oh Boy!

    Researchers from Northwestern University and the University
    of Michigan reported that children of fathers who were involved in
    parent-teacher associations complete more years of schooling
    and have higher wages and family incomes as adults than children
    whose fathers were not involved in school activities.

    Researchers from the Urban Institute reported that, contrary to
    popular opinion, most unmarrried fathers in their mid- to late-20s
    and early 30s maintain a close relationship with at least one of
    their children.

    A team of researchers from Washington State University, the
    University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and Brigham Young University
    reported that children in families headed by single mothers exhibit more
    behavioral problems and have lower math and reading abilities than children from married-couple families.

    A University of Pennsylvania researcher who has studied urban families
    reported that when fathers are not present in their children’s lives, their sons are more likely to become fathers themselves when
    they are teenagers and to live apart from their children.

    A University of North Carolina researcher found that daughters whose
    fathers have warm, close relationships with them and spend time with them in shared activities were less likely to engage in early sexual activity.


    Link: http://www.nichd.nih.gov/publication...pload/ti_9.pdf

    The following is an interesting article: Father's Love Influences Drug Abuse

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    You are falling into the assumption trap. My claim has base, and look out, Ten is thanking you and that isn't a good sigh in this discussion.
    Surely this isn't really only "Part Two"?
    You've had six or seven sequels to your danged "Why does Society Hate Families" thread over the years. This must be Part Eight or so.

    Look, Bodhi; the dynamic of this forum has changed in the interim.
    It's no longer comprised largely of bored stay-at-home moms, defensive housewives, and conservative fundamentalists with two-digit IQs.
    It's become steadily more progressive over the years, and I don't think you've noticed because you haven't been around much for the past year and have only been around sporadically for the past several years.

    I'll answer your question once more, definitively, and that should be the end of the matter, and the last we see of these baiting threads.
    Society doesn't hate "families". Society hates conservatives who claim that the traditional, nuclear family structure is the only valid or legitimate type of family. Society hates them because they insult and attempt to invalidate all that is dear to the vast majority of Americans today.

    As I've told you many many times over the years, darling, society doesn't "hate families".
    It only hates your family.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You are falling into the assumption trap. My claim has base, and look out, Ten is thanking you and that isn't a good sigh in this discussion. Your arranged marriage scenario is ridiculous, not to mention a completely abnormal age to be married off. Provide evidence that this was ever a norm... good luck.

    The Nuclear Family Model has worked for thousands of years...
    Mother - Children - AND Father
    Actually, all manners of families have worked for thousands of years. Mother, mother, mother, father and children. Mother, father, children, aunts, uncles, grandparents. Mother, children. In fact, I believe the only broad conclusion is that the best families provide love and support. Of course, even that has been incredibly short lived as far as families go. Children have historically been seen as property and a source of labor, but that's a different topic.

    There is no argument that can justify that a good mother and mother can be superior to a good father and mother, all things being equal.

    The fact that people will not be married but be together and have kids is one thing...
    The fact that women will get divorced and be forced to be a single mother is another...
    I don't know that anyone's saying one manner of a family is superior to another.

    The fact that women will knowingly seek out artificial means to have a child without a father in a Lesbian relationship shows that there is no respect for family or men, and the fact that people will support a woman in her selfish desire, not support an "Oooops" but support the whole structure that Knowingly puts kids into a fatherless situation and tries to justify this decision as if it is healthy... to raise a child out of balance...
    I don't see how that action passes any judgement about families (since I'm sure if you asked, the lesbian couple would consider themselves a family), or men. Other than showing that they are not including a male in their family, of course.


    Just wait until they come up with the technology to allow a man to inseminate an egg in an artificial womb that will see it grow and develop into a healthy baby that is "Born" to a single father with no deed of a nagging wife... Oh Boy!
    They do have this technology. It's called adoption. Plenty of gay male couples do it.

    Researchers from Northwestern University and the University
    of Michigan reported that children of fathers who were involved in
    parent-teacher associations complete more years of schooling
    and have higher wages and family incomes as adults than children
    whose fathers were not involved in school activities.


    What this shows is that fathers who are not interested in their children are harmful to their children. It makes no conclusion about if there is no father.

    Researchers from the Urban Institute reported that, contrary to
    popular opinion, most unmarrried fathers in their mid- to late-20s
    and early 30s maintain a close relationship with at least one of
    their children.
    LOL! This statistic reminds me of how many people claim they vote in the elections or go to church. I imagine most dads would claim they had a close relationship to their children. That still doesn't mean that a nuclear family is the superior form.

    A team of researchers from Washington State University, the
    University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and Brigham Young University
    reported that children in families headed by single mothers exhibit more
    behavioral problems and have lower math and reading abilities than children from married-couple families.
    Not surprising. But not indicative that the second partner must be male. Kids are hard for one person to handle.

    A University of Pennsylvania researcher who has studied urban families
    reported that when fathers are not present in their children’s lives, their sons are more likely to become fathers themselves when
    they are teenagers and to live apart from their children.
    Again, this is looking at broken families and showing the negative side affects. It says nothing about a same-gender family.

    A University of North Carolina researcher found that daughters whose
    fathers have warm, close relationships with them and spend time with them in shared activities were less likely to engage in early sexual activity.
    See above.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Surely this isn't really only "Part Two"?
    You've had six or seven sequels to your danged "Why does Society Hate Families" thread over the years. This must be Part Eight or so.

    Look, Bodhi; the dynamic of this forum has changed in the interim.
    It's no longer comprised largely of bored stay-at-home moms, defensive housewives, and conservative fundamentalists with two-digit IQs.
    It's become steadily more progressive over the years, and I don't think you've noticed because you haven't been around much for the past year and have only been around sporadically for the past several years.

    I'll answer your question once more, definitively, and that should be the end of the matter, and the last we see of these baiting threads.
    Society doesn't hate "families". Society hates conservatives who claim that the traditional, nuclear family structure is the only valid or legitimate type of family. Society hates them because they insult and attempt to invalidate all that is dear to the vast majority of Americans today.

    As I've told you many many times over the years, darling, society doesn't "hate families".
    It only hates your family.
    I use the term "hate" purposely to inflame passions and get people to engage in the discussion, as the many "Society Hates Families" threads will confirm has been a successful tactic. This is the second one though, I called it up from the past...

    You only hate my family since we are happy, it seems.

    The forum still consists of people that have opinions regarding the state of what is best for children, I am sure, and that is what these threads are really about, not that many of you seem to understand or care about this major aspect of the discussion, as we have witnessed over and over in these threads.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    I don't know; nobody really seems that interested anymore.
    Most of them have probably just written you off as some kind of extremist fruit loop, at this point.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Actually, all manners of families have worked for thousands of years. Mother, mother, mother, father and children. Mother, father, children, aunts, uncles, grandparents. Mother, children. In fact, I believe the only broad conclusion is that the best families provide love and support. Of course, even that has been incredibly short lived as far as families go. Children have historically been seen as property and a source of labor, but that's a different topic.



    I don't know that anyone's saying one manner of a family is superior to another.



    I don't see how that action passes any judgement about families (since I'm sure if you asked, the lesbian couple would consider themselves a family), or men. Other than showing that they are not including a male in their family, of course.




    They do have this technology. It's called adoption. Plenty of gay male couples do it.



    What this shows is that fathers who are not interested in their children are harmful to their children. It makes no conclusion about if there is no father.



    LOL! This statistic reminds me of how many people claim they vote in the elections or go to church. I imagine most dads would claim they had a close relationship to their children. That still doesn't mean that a nuclear family is the superior form.



    Not surprising. But not indicative that the second partner must be male. Kids are hard for one person to handle.



    Again, this is looking at broken families and showing the negative side affects. It says nothing about a same-gender family.



    See above.
    Nothing in there indicates that the traditional mother, father and child family is not the most balanced and most healthy for the child...
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't know; nobody really seems that interested anymore.
    Most of them have probably just written you off as some kind of extremist fruit loop, at this point.
    I think that you are projecting again 10...
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nothing in there indicates that the traditional mother, father and child family is not the most balanced and most healthy for the child...
    That isn't a "traditional" family, Bodhi.
    You don't really grasp the broader historical scope, here.
    That's a nuclear family; it's only been considered "traditional" since the 1950s.
    Before that, "traditional" families meant many generations of extended family living and working together.
    It made sense in an agricultural society; not so much, now.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    What is this invisible factor that is leading us down a path of single people, single mothers (voluntary ones at least), dead-beat fathers, etc.? What is it? Why are we seeing less married people and broken or disjointed families more and more?

    irresponsibility.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That isn't a "traditional" family, Bodhi.
    You don't really grasp the broader historical scope, here.
    That's a nuclear family; it's only been considered "traditional" since the 1950s.
    Before that, "traditional" families meant many generations of extended family living and working together.
    It made sense in an agricultural society; not so much, now. .
    Right, I should be saying "nuclear", not traditional. Since that is the case, I do understand the broader historical scope. Having a mother, father and child is the best and including the extended family is even better.

    I feel that agriculture or urban, more extended caring family is better for children than less. It matters not.
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