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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In my opinion, it is the high level of stress placed on survival needs combined with consumerism and the emphasis being placed on consumer productivity that has greatly broken down the family structure. At first glance we could easily say that this is the final outcome of the civil rights movement but I don't think it is at all. Civil rights and specifically gender equalization are not about abolishing families but about making roles more dynamic and interchangeable. People have more pressure put on them to make money so they can accumulate goods than ever before.

    If you live in a big city or suburb, it takes so much effort to just survive that the idea of raising children sounds preposterous. Relationships break down easier because there is less time for bonding and establishing deep connections; people have to balance their survivalist lives with maintaining functional, productive and satisfying relationships.
    America is becoming the epicenter of material excess. People are obsessed with accumulating possessions and increasing their "status". They confuse these things with fulfillment because the mass media has essentially brainwashed them with non-stop advertising.

    If I ever have kids I'm going to limit their TV intake. Allowing impressionable young children to sit in front of a glowing propaganda box for hours at a time can't be healthy.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    America is becoming the epicenter of material excess. People are obsessed with accumulating possessions and increasing their "status". They confuse these things with fulfillment because the mass media has essentially brainwashed them with non-stop advertising.

    If I ever have kids I'm going to limit their TV intake. Allowing impressionable young children to sit in front of a glowing propaganda box for hours at a time can't be healthy.
    You can't blame the TV!!! The parent support needs to be there for the children. Parents don't want to be parents thats why society is failing. I thought you knew this?
    For example, back when I was a kid we all watched the simpsons and one day we found out that this kid wasn't allowed to watch the simpsons because his parents feared that he would learn "bad things," from the simpsons like swear words and violence. Well what happened? He learned swear words from us because we always used them. And we enjoyed playground fighting everyday after school which he a lot of times participated in them.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    You can't blame the TV!!! The parent support needs to be there for the children. Parents don't want to be parents thats why society is failing. I thought you knew this?
    I agree, and this was essentially my point, i.e., parents should raise their children instead of sitting them down in front of a TV until they're eighteen.

    I was just pointing out why TV and other forms of mass media can be so damaging to the psyche of an impressionable young child. Whenever I see a product being marketed specifically to children the commercial is always slightly off-putting; it's like mental sludge is being pumped into your brain.

    Parents need to get their kids away from the TV set and involve them in some real activities where bonding can occur more effectively. Camping, sports, reading, etc.

    For example, back when I was a kid we all watched the simpsons and one day we found out that this kid wasn't allowed to watch the simpsons because his parents feared that he would learn "bad things," from the simpsons like swear words and violence. Well what happened? He learned swear words from us because we always used them. And we enjoyed playground fighting everyday after school which he a lot of times participated in them.
    I'm not saying I'm going to restrict TV altogether, but I'll certainly moniter and manage their TV-watching habits.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The answer to your questions, it's that we (and by "we" I tend to refer to North America) have created a culture of entitlement, and then supplanted the economy of that culture into other parts of the world via globalization, where is now proliferates. It's why we are facing global financial collapse: the culture of material accumulation at all costs.

    I worked on an organic farm in Ontario a few years ago, just for a few weeks, and they have a self-sustaining system there where the vast majority of their needs were met. While my life revolves around more than life on the farm, I can't help but wonder about how humanity is being ghettoized in this creation of ours. The majority of the world's populations now live in cities. Coincidence?

    To answer your question about reversing this trend... yes, we did create it, with our very imaginations. It didn't just come out of nowhere. But to change it... hmmm... that would be complicated at this point. There first must be awareness, which is lacking, followed by will to change, which is lacking even more. Like most human eras, I suspect the shift will happen traumatically after the next financial collapse, which will be happening within the next few years.
    We lived in Napa and the Russian River Valley for years, and there is a massive organic and self-sustained movement in that area. my wife and I made a big effort to have her be able to stay home with our daughters. She is just now going back to work now that they are five and six years old. She worked some when during the hours that they were in pre-school and such
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I agree, and this was essentially my point, i.e., parents should raise their children instead of sitting them down in front of a TV until they're eighteen.

    I was just pointing out why TV and other forms of mass media can be so damaging to the psyche of an impressionable young child. Whenever I see a product being marketed specifically to children the commercial is always slightly off-putting; it's like mental sludge is being pumped into your brain.

    Parents need to get their kids away from the TV set and involve them in some real activities where bonding can occur more effectively. Camping, sports, reading, etc.

    I'm not saying I'm going to restrict TV altogether, but I'll certainly moniter and manage their TV-watching habits.

    We massively restrict their TV, especially during their first 5 years. Their first three years they only watched Mary Poppins and the Sound of Music once in a while, now they see more, but not much. We did this to help them engage in their creative play side. Use their imagination. It worked. They are extremely imaginative and just play and play even if the tv is on many times whereas we see other kids many times obsessing about tv and quoting commercials and such.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    The New York Times, which based its report on an analysis of census results, said 51 percent of women in 2005 reported living without a spouse, up from 35 percent in 1950 and 49 percent in 2000.

    Those statistics don't have anything to do with women living without a spouse. They have to do with whether or not the women have a legal marriage license. So it doesn't really mean anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    "Coupled with the fact that in 2005 married couples became a minority of all American households for the first time, the trend could ultimately shape social and workplace policies, including the ways government and employers distribute benefits," the newspaper said.
    Married couples are the majority in the US. The statistic are referring to the number of couples with legal marriage licenses. Marriage has been around for hundreds of years, even before legal marriage licenses were created.

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    It said that several factors are behind the shift including women marrying at a later age and living with partners for more often and for longer periods. Women are also living longer as widows and once divorced, often opt to stay single, the report said.

    Well yeah, in the early 1900s, a woman could be married at 10 years old to a much older man (and forced marriages were common). So if that's the "traditional family structure" that you mean, then I'm glad we've long done away with that type of degeneracy.

    The majority of US women are living with a spouse. The article only refers to legally recognized couples.

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    What is this invisible factor that is leading us down a path of single people, single mothers (voluntary ones at least), dead-beat fathers, etc.? What is it? Why are we seeing less married people and broken or disjointed families more and more?
    We aren't. Both those statistics have significantly improved on the whole.

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    Yes, this is an extension of the last thread, so for all of you that can't fathom reality to save your life, this should be fun.
    I guess that means you enjoyed it than. lol when you're ready to brush up on history, please get back to me. I yawned after reading the first sentence because this thread was so ignorant of reality.

    Society doesn't hate familes. "Family values" orgs just hate real families and society itself.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Those statistics don't have anything to do with women living without a spouse. They have to do with whether or not the women have a legal marriage license. So it doesn't really mean anything.


    Married couples are the majority in the US. The statistic are referring to the number of couples with legal marriage licenses. Marriage has been around for hundreds of years, even before legal marriage licenses were created.


    It said that several factors are behind the shift including women marrying at a later age and living with partners for more often and for longer periods. Women are also living longer as widows and once divorced, often opt to stay single, the report said.[/COLOR][/I]
    Well yeah, in the early 1900s, a woman could be married at 10 years old to a much older man (and forced marriages were common). So if that's the "traditional family structure" that you mean, then I'm glad we've long done away with that type of degeneracy.


    The majority of US women are living with a spouse. The article only refers to legally recognized couples.


    We aren't. Both those statistics have significantly improved on the whole.


    I guess that means you enjoyed it than. lol when you're ready to brush up on history, please get back to me. I yawned after reading the first sentence because this thread was so ignorant of reality.

    Society doesn't hate familes. "Family values" orgs just hate real families and society itself.
    The OP was designed to create conversation regarding the role of families. The article itself was nothing more than the spark. Your attitude, and as far as I have seen so far, your debating skills, are pathetically mundane.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic

    The OP was designed to create conversation regarding the role of families. The article itself was nothing more than the spark.
    You information was flawed. You based your "claim" on marriage license statistics only, not on the number of actual couples in the US, the length of their relationships, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Your attitude, and as far as I have seen so far, your debating skills, are pathetically mundane.
    You didn't post anything worth debating. Just a meaningless legal statistic which says nothing of the quality of American families (along with ignorant stereotypes).

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Originally posted by Toothpicvic
    You information was flawed. You based your "claim" on marriage license statistics only, not on the number of actual couples in the US, the length of their relationships, etc.
    Actually, I base my claim off of much more than that...


    You didn't post anything worth debating. Just a meaningless legal statistic which says nothing of the quality of American families (along with ignorant stereotypes).
    I have posted on and off for 18 pages...
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Actually, I base my claim off of much more than that...
    Other than stereotypes based on select evidence, your claim is based on nothing else (so it's baseless).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have posted on and off for 18 pages...
    I've posted plenty of counter evidence to your claims - for example in the earlier 1900s, a girl could be married at age 10 and forced marriages were common. I guess by your standard that would be considered a "good family arrangement" as long as the girl never left her husband.

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