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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by saggyjones View Post
    I think that the traditional values of the woman being the housewife and the man being the money maker are breaking down. In my opinion this is mainly due to more women having jobs and waiting to marry. Now that they are almost expected to go out and get jobs they can support themselves and therefore don't have to marry.
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    Many familys have to depend on both spouces working to get a mortage.
    Women were or are forced into this position of going to work to supplement their husbands income.

    Years ago one mans income from a very small paying job was enough for a mortage.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    I think that you have it backwards...

    Market prices were driven up due to the fact that two income families trying to get ahead drove the prices of housing up. Simple supply and demand. Other families then felt that in ordet ot maintain their standard of living, they too whould have two incomes...and so on. Soon, it becomes a mindset that, "gee, families have to have two incomes in order to survive nowadays" rather than realizing that it is all just supply and demand and that people are making a choice to have two careers rather than to devote time to their children and family. People that choose this route are forced to move from places like California were the new "standard of living" is much too high for a single income family to afford since most of the others are now brainwashed into believing the new story.

    THEN, you have a whole new mindset that extends beyond that. One that we have seen here and I have seen in the real world...one that bears witness to working mothers degrading stay at home mothers. There are many psychological reasons for such justifications...and these two issue amongst others are simply things that I am trying to point out.

    See...what sucks is that I get labled a bad guy for not being PC about this. For not holding up working mothers as a goal that all women should strive for. Society is turning against traditional families and it doesn't even realize it. It is just sad to witness.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Much respect and thanks.
    Yes... this is a great topic and people should be open and listen to other's opinions
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    There are many families where both parents absolutely have to work but there are many more where one parent could stay home but that would mean giving up some material things and many are too selfish to do so.
    talloulou--Is this from a source or is it opinion?


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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    talloulou--Is this from a source or is it opinion?
    I am curious about this as well
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    talloulou--Is this from a source or is it opinion?
    Never mind....I just realized that this is a revived thread and your post was from a few months ago.


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    talloulou--Is this from a source or is it opinion?
    It's what I've witnessed. I'll have women tell me that I'm sooooo lucky I can stay home with my kids. They tell me they couldn't afford to. These same women tend to have bigger houses, bigger tv's, more cars, more toys in general, spend more on their wardrobes, and pay out the arse for child care. If they really wanted to, it's my opinion, that they could stay home. They just don't consider sacrificing their current lifestyle to be worth the price so they opt to not stay home.

    There are couples where both must work. When they tell me I'm lucky to be able to stay home I agree with them. I am lucky.

    But there are other women who tell me I'm lucky and I try to explain to them that they could do it too with a little sacrifice. The choice isn't out of reach for them, financially. They just have to choose to how to spend their money and prioritize what's important.

    What I've found from talking to many women is that they don't necessarily have a problem sacrificing the big house, the big tvs, the cars, ect. They have a problem giving up their independence. They were raised to not rely financially on a man and they're more comfortable in their relationships when they bring in a good portion of the money. They wouldn't feel "equal" to their spouse if he made money and they didn't. This is what they won't sacrifice. Relying on their spouse to make all the money makes them decidedly nervous and uncomfortable and there's some type of underlying fear there. Their independence is the issue. In their minds if they stayed home their husband would have the upper hand so to speak.

    I don't really feel that way and so I don't really quite understand it or get it. But I think their desire for self sufficiency is more of a factor than their desire for all the luxuries. They like knowing that leaving would be easy and doable if leaving ever becomes necessary.

    'Course none of them EVER put it to me like that so much as I interpreted it to be like that from what they've said. So I could be wrong. That's just my psychoanalysis of many of my friends who make enough money to easily live off one salary if they really wanted to.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't really feel that way and so I don't really quite understand it or get it. But I think their desire for self sufficiency is more of a factor than their desire for all the luxuries. They like knowing that leaving would be easy and doable if leaving ever becomes necessary.
    That and the fact that if the spouse/partner left or died they could still be self sufficient.

    I can't imagine living without that kind of security.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    There are many families where both parents absolutely have to work but there are many more where one parent could stay home but that would mean giving up some material things and many are too selfish to do so.
    I'm trying to figure this post out, so bear with me.

    Are you saying women who work (for whatever reasons), while they have children living at home, are selfish?


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    I'm trying to figure this post out, so bear with me.

    Are you saying women who work (for whatever reasons), while they have children living at home, are selfish?
    No, not all of them. But some of them definitely. But then again my reasons for staying home are selfish as well.

    I think it's beneficial for someone to stay home particularly and especially when the kids are very young. Many many people will say it's financially impossible for someone to stay home. In a good portion of those cases, that's simply not true. They are selfishly choosing to both work because they want to, which is distinctly different from "needing" to.

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