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Thread: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    If irony were avocados, we'd all be eating a lot of guacamole right about now.
    guacamole needs more flavor. Spices. Garlic. Tomato. Onions. That is what I am...the flavor.

    If I don't totally communicate with perfect openess towards you, it is because you have yet to show that you actually desire to get along. You attacked me from the onset. You have never stopped. That is fine, but for you to talk about Irony is truly Ironic.

    If you were willing to communcate openly and without your sarcastic defensive nature, you would see that I asked genuine questions and that I am seeking to find a balance with you. Should we start chanting...

    Why don't you just address the questions at hand? That would be a start.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    The point that you are missing for some reason, and perhaps it is because you don't have kids, is that once you have kids you should do what is BEST FOR THE CHILDREN as we as what is best for the family.
    No, I would do what's best for me AND my child.

    That is one way to look at it. I think exactly the opposite. I think that there is no waiting until the "Right" time to have kids. If you think that you would have resentment towards your kids for them keeping you from "travel" and such, then PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN!!!
    The "right" time is when I WANT them. So yes, there most certainly is a "right" time.

    You can do ALL OF THOSE THINGS with kids. How do I know that this is a fact! We do it! Simple logic...that is the stuff that really confuses 1069! LOL!

    We travel...get this, WITH OUR KIDS! All over the place.

    Here is the thing that you guys don't seem to get.

    INCLUSION!
    No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps you include your kids on your "adventures", but you haven't a clue what my "adventures" entail. Not only would it have been impossible with a child, they would have taken any child away from me for endangerment among other things.

    Can you imagine? I see these old parents all over the place. BMW's. Hawaiian vacations. Huge house. But they don't spend any time with their kids. They spent so much time getting the things that they thought that they needed in order to have kids that they missed the point ... Kids do not need all of that crap. They need parents that are with them, not out maintaining some level of life that they didn't even need i nthe first place. THAT is my point.
    It has nothing to do with getting a bunch of things that I think my future kid may "want". It has everything to do with doing the things I want to do that I cannot do with a child. I'm not talking about simple trips here and there, I'm talking about a way of life that I lived for over a decade. A child could not be included.

    And no, I don't need to "re-read" anything. The OP said it was detrimental for women to wait until their 30s to have kids. Obviously, I disagree. I think it's much more detrimental to have a mother who is unhappy with her choice to have a kid too early and feels resentment for not being able to do the things she wanted to do.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    No, I would do what's best for me AND my child.
    Wonderful.

    The "right" time is when I WANT them. So yes, there most certainly is a "right" time.
    I did not say that there is not a "Right" time. Read again please.

    No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps you include your kids on your "adventures", but you haven't a clue what my "adventures" entail. Not only would it have been impossible with a child, they would have taken any child away from me for endangerment among other things.
    I have had adventures like that as well. Keep doing what you want then. Great. When you have kids, a responsible person stops. People that don't want to stop should never have kids. No big deal. Not everybody has kids. Not everybody should. It doesn't mean anything other than they did not have kids. Super. Some people are monks. Some people are crack addicts. The world is a big place and full of variables...Chaos, if you will...

    It has nothing to do with getting a bunch of things that I think my future kid may "want". It has everything to do with doing the things I want to do that I cannot do with a child. I'm not talking about simple trips here and there, I'm talking about a way of life that I lived for over a decade. A child could not be included.

    And no, I don't need to "re-read" anything. The OP said it was detrimental for women to wait until their 30s to have kids. Obviously, I disagree. I think it's much more detrimental to have a mother who is unhappy with her choice to have a kid too early and feels resentment for not being able to do the things she wanted to do
    Sounds good. Not sure what your gripe is then. Sounds like you have a lot of this figured out. If I don't understand your situation, that is because I don't know what it is. Try not to take this personally.

    Honestly, you are out of your field on this topic. My post speaks of general societal trends and specifically about people that are actually parents. You are not a parent so you really don't understand the first thing that parenting or having children entails. Thanks for sharing though!
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    Yep, that about sums up what you have to offer.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Gosh, the case against non-traditional families is revealing itself to be pretty anemic, here.
    I wonder if anyone's really all that surprised.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

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    That is one aspect of the overall picture. Maybe later we can address some other influences as well? Let me know when you are ready and open.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    I think there is several reasons.

    Firstly many people now adults came from broken homes and dont have much faith in marriage.

    Secondly women are discriminated working with children passed up for promotion etc.

    Also divorce courts appear to favour women discouraging men to get married in the first place.

    Also people are sold this hollywood/disney happy ending where the perfect couple get together which isnt true people get on each others nevres have stupid arguements and can be quite petty.

    Another reason this may seem minor and odd but CELLPHONES cause people to cheat on each other its seems harmless enough you get someones mobile number they text you, how are you ? ,etc next thing ya know your texting them when you are upset about something. Slowly you develope a relationship just through that, how are you? becomes what you wearing? and developes from there. All im saying is there is more ways to meet people these days.
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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Another reason this may seem minor and odd but CELLPHONES cause people to cheat on each other its seems harmless enough you get someones mobile number they text you, how are you ? ,etc next thing ya know your texting them when you are upset about something. Slowly you develope a relationship just through that, how are you? becomes what you wearing? and developes from there. All im saying is there is more ways to meet people these days.
    Two words: Family Plan.

    There's never a time when I can't go on the internet, look at my account, and see exactly what numbers my husband and kids have been calling. And when they called them. And how long they talked.

    Not that I'd ever do such a thing.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    Honestly, you are out of your field on this topic. My post speaks of general societal trends and specifically about people that are actually parents. You are not a parent so you really don't understand the first thing that parenting or having children entails. Thanks for sharing though!
    Because I don't have a child of my own means I don't know the first thing about raising one? How damn assuming of you, not to mention condescending. You know nothing about me or what I've done, or other people's children I've helped to raise. And, I don't think that my being without a child of my own makes my opinion invalid. Complete and utter arrogance on your part.

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    Re: Why does Society Hate Families? Part II

    Quote Originally Posted by BodiSatva View Post
    Honestly, you are out of your field on this topic. My post speaks of general societal trends and specifically about people that are actually parents. You are not a parent so you really don't understand the first thing that parenting or having children entails. Thanks for sharing though!
    I recognize that I am entering this late, so if I am taking this out of context, forgive me. Respectfully, Bodi, I disagree. I hate hearing statements like this. I am not a parent. Yet, as an adolescent therapist, I often must help parents with ways to help parent their children. I am very good at it and use my knowledge of being parented, my knowledge of relationships between people, and my knowledge and observations of both the kid and the parents. Making suggestions is not something I take lightly. I don't adhere to the adage that if you've never walked in my shoes, you can't give me advice. Perhaps my training gives me a leg up, but when a parent says something to me like, 'well you're not a parent, so what do you know', I'll often say, 'well you are and things aren't going well...don't close your mind to a suggestion.'
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