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    Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Stop-and-Frisk is unconstitutional and an excuse to racially profile blacks and latinos in NYC, however through that same policy the police have successfully achieved the greatest gun bust in NYC history. This will certainly be used when Bloomberg and Kelly appeal the recent ruling on this policy. It supports their intentions, but it doesn't necessarily justify their actions.

    When you read passages like:

    "When 3 white cops tell a black teenager that he looks out of place in a Hispanic neighborhood, where he lives, something has gone horribly wrong."

    It's easy to disagree with them on the subject. Do they (or you) see this as a necessary evil to protect NY citizens, or do they (or you) not view this as evil at all? Can this even be classified as an "evil"?

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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    No.

    "Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both"
    Ben Frankilin.

    Also...where is the poll?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Not for whites, no.

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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Now that the traditional American culture has been destroyed by the devastation of Liberal "Multi-culturalism" crime control requires much more stringent measures than were required fifty years ago when most Americans didn't lock their house doors and often left their keys in their cars while shopping.
    Last edited by Ray410; 08-21-13 at 01:38 PM.

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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Now that the traditional American culture has been destroyed by the devastation of Liberal "Multi-culturalism" crime control requires much more stringent measures than were required fifty years ago when most Americans didn't lock their house doors and often left their keys in their cars while shopping.
    What a load of bull, multi-culturism does not endorse crime and this is not a necessary evil. It's plain wrong. If you are complaining about Obama being a "dictator" and increased government while endorsing "stop and frisk" I do believe that is the ultimate form of hypocrisy.

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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cecil900 View Post
    No.

    "Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both"
    Ben Frankilin.

    Also...where is the poll?
    Great quote!

    As for the poll, did I make a mistake somewhere? I see it at the top of the page.

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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hijinx View Post
    Great quote!

    As for the poll, did I make a mistake somewhere? I see it at the top of the page.
    I see it now.
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Now that the traditional American culture has been destroyed by the devastation of Liberal "Multi-culturalism" crime control requires much more stringent measures than were required fifty years ago when most Americans didn't lock their house doors and often left their keys in their cars while shopping.
    While I would agree that locks only keep the "honest" folks from taking easy advantage of you, that has little to do with constitutional protection from unreasonble search/seizure by the state (and its employees). What is at the heart of the issue is what policing techniques are needed (and effective) when merely possessing things is illegal. What percentage of "hits" (arrests)would be needed to justify using this technique? What if ceasing this practice results in an increase in crime?

    If one had solid intelligence of criminal activity in a given area and a general descripton of the perp(s) then is it unreasonable for police to attempt to check out that "solid lead"? Obviously that does not include telling every young black male to lie down on the street with their arms/legs spread for a pat down, but certainly observing someone handing out tiny packages on the street in exchange for cash might arouse a bit of suspicion, or seeing a vehicle making repeated passes to/from a "known" source of illegal activity.

    I personally would like to see this policy/procedure used only with the "probable cause" being stated, the stop recorded (bothe officer's and the suspect's name) and the results being made public. Warrantless searches, even if done for "the greater good", are still not a good public policy, but in areas where "snitching" and cooperation with law enforcement are culturally taboo, what real alternative is offered?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    While I would agree that locks only keep the "honest" folks from taking easy advantage of you, that has little to do with constitutional protection from unreasonble search/seizure by the state (and its employees). What is at the heart of the issue is what policing techniques are needed (and effective) when merely possessing things is illegal. What percentage of "hits" (arrests)would be needed to justify using this technique? What if ceasing this practice results in an increase in crime?

    If one had solid intelligence of criminal activity in a given area and a general descripton of the perp(s) then is it unreasonable for police to attempt to check out that "solid lead"? Obviously that does not include telling every young black male to lie down on the street with their arms/legs spread for a pat down, but certainly observing someone handing out tiny packages on the street in exchange for cash might arouse a bit of suspicion, or seeing a vehicle making repeated passes to/from a "known" source of illegal activity.

    I personally would like to see this policy/procedure used only with the "probable cause" being stated, the stop recorded (bothe officer's and the suspect's name) and the results being made public. Warrantless searches, even if done for "the greater good", are still not a good public policy, but in areas where "snitching" and cooperation with law enforcement are culturally taboo, what real alternative is offered?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    No, stop and frisk is discriminatory and absurd and impractical. Bloomberg and his supporters should be thrown in a dungeon.

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