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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Why does the left want to take the tools away from the police to prevent crime?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    I usually stay away from these anonymous polls. If a person does not the guts or to make them public then they are are useless anyhow.
    Last edited by Navy Pride; 08-25-13 at 07:10 PM.
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You said it lowers crime rates and has saved the lives of countless minorities. The thing is, there is little to no evidence that stop-and-frisk does anything at all. There certainly isn't any evidence that it saves "countless lives." Since your statement isn't based on any actual research, what are you basing it on?

    Ray Kelly says stop & frisk saves lives. There’s no good evidence for that.
    Just seems to be common sense, to be honest. I read stuff like this and it is in line with what just makes sense.

    Last year, the police seized 780 guns, suggesting that guns were recovered in roughly one in 1,000 stops.

    But Mr. Bloomberg said the policy was having an equally important effect by deterring people from carrying guns.

    “By making it ‘too hot to carry,’ the N.Y.P.D. is preventing guns from being carried on our streets,” he said. “That is our real goal — preventing violence before it occurs, not responding to the victims after the fact.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/ny...licy.html?_r=0
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Just seems to be common sense, to be honest. I read stuff like this and it is in line with what just makes sense.

    Last year, the police seized 780 guns, suggesting that guns were recovered in roughly one in 1,000 stops.

    But Mr. Bloomberg said the policy was having an equally important effect by deterring people from carrying guns.

    “By making it ‘too hot to carry,’ the N.Y.P.D. is preventing guns from being carried on our streets,” he said. “That is our real goal — preventing violence before it occurs, not responding to the victims after the fact.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/ny...licy.html?_r=0
    Research - especially peer-reviewed research - trumps "common sense" every time. Your assertions aren't supported by actual evidence. In fact, actual evidence demonstrates that your assertions are incorrect.

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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Why does the left want to take the tools away from the police to prevent crime?
    Why does the right want to take the freedom away from the people to "possibly" prevent crime?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Why does the right want to take the freedom away from the people to "possibly" prevent crime?
    so your for criminals running around with guns unfettered?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Why does the right want to take the freedom away from the people to "possibly" prevent crime?
    That is the cops job. Why take it away from them?
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Research - especially peer-reviewed research - trumps "common sense" every time. Your assertions aren't supported by actual evidence. In fact, actual evidence demonstrates that your assertions are incorrect.
    If a common sense conclusion is the same as a peer-reviewed on then... nope. And my assertions are supported by actual evidence. That is why I posted it.
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    so your for criminals running around with guns unfettered?
    No. But I am also for the constitution of the United States.

    Terry Frisks are a useful tool of police. But NYPD is abusing that capability, and its going to turn around to bite ALL law enforcement in the ass when, eventually, there will be a legal challenge that will make it to the supreme court and Terry v. Ohio's decision will be overruled.

    NYPD needs to cool it, and use Terry Frisks as the exception rather than the norm.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Is Stop-and-Frisk a Necessary Evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is the cops job.
    You don't have to tell me what a cop's job is. I worked law enforcement for 7 years in North Carolina as a patrol officer.

    But it is still the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure they are not violating the rights of the people.

    NYPD's weakly supported use of the Terry Frisk borders a 4th amendment violation.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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