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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    It was not Manning's intention to deliberately provide secrets to the enemy.

    But neither was it Manning's intention to engage in some altruistic act of providing the American public with the knowledge they'd need to better inform their decisions in respect to government.

    Manning did what he did because he was a spoiled child.
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    I have to disagree. I don't think he had any such lofty reasons for his actions. he was a sad troubled individual and he did what he did in an attempt to "get back" at those whom he felt had mistreated him. he is neither hero nor villian. just a sad confused kid who made a stupid mistake. and now he is paying for it.
    I know that that is the populist spin on his motivations, I just happen not to buy it. Nothing I have read would lead me to believe it either. I also think that what he did is much more relevant than what anyone surmised were his reasons for doing it. What he did was provide evidence that the government were keeping secrets that it had no business keeping. He informed the public of facts that it deserved to know. He did no harm to US interests nor did anyone come to harm as a result. In other words, what he did was a victimless crime and a public service.
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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In other words, what he did was a victimless crime...
    I bet that GM, Monsanto, and the DOS would beg to differ.

    Anyhow, I'm not going to argue with you.

    I think the conviction and the sentence were both fair so I'm pretty happy with the way things have worked out.
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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I know that that is the populist spin on his motivations, I just happen not to buy it. Nothing I have read would lead me to believe it either. I also think that what he did is much more relevant than what anyone surmised were his reasons for doing it. What he did was provide evidence that the government were keeping secrets that it had no business keeping. He informed the public of facts that it deserved to know. He did no harm to US interests nor did anyone come to harm as a result. In other words, what he did was a victimless crime and a public service.
    yeah, we know what the results of his actions were. we just happen to disagree with you on his intent for doing it. yes, what he did may have been a victimless crime and a public service but that, IMHO, is not why he did it.
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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If that were the sum total of the secrets Manning leaked, secrets that "may as well have been tabulated by a reasonably capable undergraduate intern", I might be inclined to agree with you.

    If Manning had shown some degree of restraint, or organization, or if anything he did even hinted at the fact that he had some noble (in addition to it being criminal) motive I might be inclined to agree with you.

    But that wasn't the case.

    Manning's leak was an unorganized, grabasstic EFF YOU to "the man" because he was unhappy. He was a grown man who made a grown man's commitment and later found that he didn't really want to live up to the word he gave. So he figured, "If I can't be happy, I'll just burn this place down and I don't care, haven't even bothered to learn, who or what I'm going to take with me".

    It was not Manning's intention to deliberately provide secrets to the enemy.

    But neither was it Manning's intention to engage in some altruistic act of providing the American public with the knowledge they'd need to better inform their decisions in respect to government.

    Manning did what he did because he was a spoiled child.
    I agree with everything except the last line.

    Manning did what he did because he was EXTREMELY unstable. I don't know how he made it into the military, much less given access to sensitive information, but this alone should be a clear indication that the United States has to do a better job of evaluating personnel. The United States probably got lucky with Manning. He seems like the type of guy who would have blown up a base or something.

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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I agree with everything except the last line.

    Manning did what he did because he was EXTREMELY unstable. I don't know how he made it into the military, much less given access to sensitive information, but this alone should be a clear indication that the United States has to do a better job of evaluating personnel. The United States probably got lucky with Manning. He seems like the type of guy who would have blown up a base or something.
    I agree, someone humped the bunk big time. There is no way a guy like Manning should have ever been issued a security clearance and given access to sensitive information. But that's what you get when you "pussify" basic training to the point where in no longer weeds out those unfit for service.
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    Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I agree, someone humped the bunk big time. There is no way a guy like Manning should have ever been issued a security clearance and given access to sensitive information. But that's what you get when you "pussify" basic training to the point where in no longer weeds out those unfit for service.
    I think you have to consider during the height of the "war on terror" the standards were relaxed and people slipped through the cracks that normally wouldn't have.
    The standards were much higher when I came in in 1997. They almost didn't let me in because I took Ritalin as a child, despite very high scores, and being in great physical condition.

    You will start to see that again as downsizing kicks in.

    They will also be more critical in evaluations for clearances after recent instances.

    That said I saw many a young infantryman decide they didn't want to play army anymore and try to pull shenanigans to get kicked out. You do sign a contract when you join and if they think you are just messing around they are going to tell you to suck it up and serve your time.

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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Simple question. Who do you think deserves to serve the most jail time, Bradley Manning or Robert Bales? Both will be sentenced this week, do you think that one's crime is comparable in severity with the other's?

    Have at it!

    Manning.....he put others lives at Risk moreso than Bales.

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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah, we know what the results of his actions were. we just happen to disagree with you on his intent for doing it. yes, what he did may have been a victimless crime and a public service but that, IMHO, is not why he did it.
    Okay, we can disagree on what it was, but why does motive matter? If someone lets off a firecracker at a sports game, but he intended to blow up the whole arena, he gets prosecuted for unauthorised use of a firework, not for attempted mass murder.
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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Manning.....he put others lives at Risk moreso than Bales.
    I think Bales did a bit more than putting lives at risk. He took 16 innocent lives. Is risking a life a worse crime than taking one?
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    Re: Who should get the longer sentence, Manning or Bales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think Bales did a bit more than putting lives at risk. He took 16 innocent lives. Is risking a life a worse crime than taking one?
    Manning put other soldiers lives at risk that were on a Battlefield.....especially those over the helicopter crash and where the Rueters reporter was killed. Then Manning put others lives at Risk that were in the Military that were involved in Intel OPs. In which he admitted he did not know all that he was downloading. Which means contacts, locations, possible safe-houses and other facitilites. In other countries. Besides Afghanistan.

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