According to the UN, it is cruel and unusual punishment.
Not according to your own source:
Although the death penalty is generally tolerated under international law
It only suggested it was illegal under international law that is actually relevant to the United States in the case of minors and the death penalty.
It shows that these countries are more intelligent than us.
Still an appeal to emotion, still a strawman.
Whether or not we are intelligent is irrelevant to the fact that broadly, or in regards to the US, capital punishment is not "murder".
It's not an appeal to emotion.
Yes, it is. It's using "simple facts" to appeal to emotion in hopes of making one feel like we're "dumb" or we're "evil" or we're "wrong" for having the death penalty by comparing us to "bad" or "dumb" countries when that is
entirely irrelevant to the notion of whether or not it's "murder". Murder is not the "dumb killing" of someone, it's not the "evil killing" or someone, it's the "illegal" killing of someone. Continually pointing out the "fact" of which countries also allow for capital punishment does
nothing against my statement OTHER than attempt to pull emotional heart strings.
Nope, an appeal to the logical side of your brain instead of the emotional one that has knee-jerk reactions when it hears about crimes such as this and then screams out for blood lust when it solves no problems and is completely unnecessary.
You prove my point precisely about your hyper emotional state.
I haven't "screamed out for blood lust". I haven't actually suggested in any way what should happen to these kids. I've not suggested it'll solve any problems. I've SIMPLY and singularly stated that your BROAD claim that capital punishment is "state sponsored murder" is incorrect. That's it.
YOU are the one having a "knee jerk reaction" that is an "emotional one" to my statement. YOU are the one
assuming somehow that I'm suggesting that because it's not "murder" that it's somehow mean it must be less bad, less evil, less immoral, less wrong, etc. I've said no such thing. I've simply suggested that your claim or "murder" is incorrect.
So IOW, you see other countries as bad for murdering their citizens because of the methods or the reasons they might use, but you think we do it "right."
Here's a lesson for you, since you are failing MISERABLY and throwing fallacies all over the place. Ready?
Read what people actually SAY, stop imagining what they say based on your prejducies and emotions
I've made no comment about other countries "murdering" their citizens. ACTUALLY, quite to the contrary, I specifically said you would NOT find me complaining that a country is "murdering" it's citizens when it comes to the death penalty. This is REGARDLESS of how brutal I think the penalty is or how stupid I think the law is.
I may DISLIKE their methods, I may think their laws are inhumane, I might think the country is an immoral batch of filth....but none of that means I'd think their killing of someone under their laws is "murder".
This goes back to my suggestion that you're basing this fully and completely from a hyper emotional state. There is nothing inherently less immoral, evil, wrong, bad, etc about KILLING someone and MURDERING someone. It just happens that murder is a specific type of killing, the specifically unlawful kind.
Will you feel sad when the states can't kill people anymore?
I don't personally think we'll see it's abolition occur across the entire U.S. in my life time, but if we do...meh. I won't be sad over that. I think it'll be kind of foolish, becuase I think it's something that should be on the table, but I also don't have some over arching desire to desperately see it remain. Especially with how our appeals system works and how, almost counter intuitively, it seemingly costs the tax payers more to put someone to death then hold them for a life sentence. So I think it'll be a bit foolish to handcuff our options of what punishments are available if we get rid of it entirely, but it won't make me SAD in the least.
When you kill someone who is not an immediate threat to you, that's murder. Sorry if you don't like it, but that's a fact.
Again, you have a
horrible understanding of what words mean. Your opinion is not
fact, those two words mean entirely different. What you just stated is not the definition of murder
