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Should these teens be tried as adults

Should the 15 and 16 year old also be tried as adults

  • yes and throw away the key

    Votes: 72 87.8%

  • no, they deserve a second chance

    Votes: 10 12.2%
  • Total voters
    82
TiredOfLife said:
That's how it can be used, not what it is for. I can use a claw hammer for that but that's not what it's for.
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Guns are a tool and that tool is used for the potential and ability to kill. What it does and the use of that ability are separate concerns. Having a gun means that one can defend ones self against a stronger person. Just having a gun and showing it to the perp know is a deterrent.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Guns are a tool and that tool is used for the potential and ability to kill. What it does and the use of that ability are separate concerns. Having a gun means that one can defend ones self against a stronger person. Just having a gun and showing it to the perp know is a deterrent.
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You could show him a nuclear bomb or an explosive vest but that's not what they are designed for.

If I go deer hunting I take a gun with me why, for self protection, or to kill something?
 
TiredOfLife said:
Not at all. They are very effective. It's why we send our soldiers off with them. They are good at helping kill our enemies.
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Yeah they're so effective that almost all guns will never be used in a shooting ever, much less a shooting that kills someone.

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Excellent point, my friend.
 
TiredOfLife said:
Can be yes, but that's besides the point.
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How is it beside the point?


We can legally spank them because they are legally children.
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I just told you that it was NOT legal.


As for spanking in public, I'd like to see a bit more of that.
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Even if it was illegal?


There are real brats out there. For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing a few parents spanked. They aren't much better.
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So you want to return to corporal punishment for public misbehavior. Opinion noted.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Yeah they're so effective that almost all guns will never be used in a shooting ever, much less a shooting that kills someone.

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Excellent point, my friend.
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Since you believe you don't actually have to use the gun for what it is designed for, next time just show the person you need protection from a picture of a gun. Based on your argument, that would work just as well.

Tell me, when I needed to kill a rabid animal on my property should I have simply shown it the gun and it would have fallen over and died? Maybe I made a serious mistake but I used the gun as intended, I used it to kill the poor sick thing so I could bury it before it hurt someone.
 
Shadow Serious said:
How is it beside the point?




I just told you that it was NOT legal.




Even if it was illegal?




So you want to return to corporal punishment for public misbehavior. Opinion noted.
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It's not illegal to spank a child or to spank them in public. Under 18 is a child BTW.
 
TiredOfLife said:
You could show him a nuclear bomb or an explosive vest but that's not what they are designed for.

If I go deer hunting I take a gun with me why, for self protection, or to kill something?
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Those three feral hoods were hunting alright and they did take a gun with them. Do not confuse what perp will use a gun for with what a regular citizen would use it for. And with respect to a nuclear bomb it can only be used by a government for protection under a M.A.D. scenario and a explosive vest is not for deterrence or protection but is for terrorism. BTW, since feral hogs do exist the gun can be used for protection when going deer hunting.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Those three feral hoods were hunting alright and they did take a gun with them. Do not confuse what perp will use a gun for with what a regular citizen would use it for. And with respect to a nuclear bomb it can only be used by a government for protection under a M.A.D. scenario and a explosive vest is not for deterrence or protection but is for terrorism. BTW, since feral hogs do exist the gun can be used for protection when going deer hunting.
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When you go hunting, do you usually take something along that can kill what you hunt? And what's best for that, a gun. That's what it does, it kills things.
 
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ChrisL said:
And also:



I know why. It's because people get angry and break out their pitchforks and torches. Instead of thinking logically about the situation, they let emotion take over.
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The issue is that these teens did not kill because they were angry or put in a stressful situation but that they were understimulated (which means bored). Instead of taking a bat to mailboxes that some teens decide to do in a similar situation they wanted to kill people. Since they made a conscious decision to kill for no reason but for **** and giggles, that puts them outside of what can be considered reformable situation. Now sense one was 15 and was but an accomplice and may have been coerced to go he might be reformable however since juvenile justice stops at 21 and there is no follow up after make me want to try him as an adult also.
 
TiredOfLife said:
It's not illegal to spank a child or to spank them in public. Under 18 is a child BTW.
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A parent can be brought up on battery charges. They can lose their child to the Department of Human Services (Child Welfare).
 
TiredOfLife said:
When you go hunting, do you usually take something along that can kill what you hunt? And what's best for that, a gun. That's what it does, it kills things.
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Yes it does and your point? Do you not realize that it can be used in self defense also; and sometimes one has to use lethal force to defend oneself?
 
Shadow Serious said:
A parent can be brought up on battery charges. They can lose their child to the Department of Human Services (Child Welfare).
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They can be but they almost never are. Why, because it's perfectly legal to spank a child in this country, even in public. That includes your teenager. That doesn't mean you might not end up taking heat for it but it IS legal to do. Why, because they are children as defined by the law.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Yes it does and your point? Do you not realize that it can be used in self defense also; and sometimes one has to use lethal force to defend oneself?
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You mean to kill something, exactly my point, that is what a gun is for. It's no more for self defense than a hammer is. One kills things, one pounds things. Both can do the others job but that's not their design.
 
TiredOfLife said:
They can be but they almost never are. Why, because it's perfectly legal to spank a child in this country, even in public. That includes your teenager. That doesn't mean you might not end up taking heat for it but it IS legal to do. Why, because they are children as defined by the law.
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Illegal is NOT legal. For some time now it has been illegal to spank children in Oklahoma. Also laws governing this is done by the State level and not by the Federal level. Maybe your State allows it, but mine (Oklahoma) does NOT.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Illegal is NOT legal. For some time now it has been illegal to spank children in Oklahoma. Also laws governing this is done by the State level and not by the Federal level. Maybe your State allows it, but mine (Oklahoma) does NOT.
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I'd don't buy that for a second. It is legal to spank a child in all 50 states. Link please?

New Zealand tried to ban it, and then they had to repeal it. We aren't Sweden. Here we smack our kids.

http://kidjacked.com/legal/spanking_law.asp#oklahoma
 
TiredOfLife said:
You mean to kill something, exactly my point, that is what a gun is for. It's no more for self defense than a hammer is. One kills things, one pounds things. Both can do the others job but that's not their design.
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You are not seeing that a person will have to use force to defend oneself and sometimes a person must use lethal force to do so. Only an idiot would use a gun to drive nails and only a desperate person would use a hammer in self defense.
 
Shadow Serious said:
You are not seeing that a person will have to use force to defend oneself and sometimes a person must use lethal force to do so. Only an idiot would use a gun to drive nails and only a desperate person would use a hammer in self defense.
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That doesn't change what guns are for, killing things.
 
TiredOfLife said:
That doesn't change what guns are for, killing things.
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Just like a rope is not responsible for a hanging guns are not responsible for killing someone....It takes a person to do that my left wing friend.
 
TiredOfLife said:
I'd don't buy that for a second. It is legal to spank a child in all 50 states. Link please?

New Zealand tried to ban it, and then they had to repeal it. We aren't Sweden. Here we smack our kids.

State by State Spanking Laws - Kidjacked
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Alright, it is a statute on the books but the courts intervene anyway when it comes to spanking.
 
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