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Should these teens be tried as adults

Should the 15 and 16 year old also be tried as adults

  • yes and throw away the key

    Votes: 72 87.8%
  • no, they deserve a second chance

    Votes: 10 12.2%

  • Total voters
    82
We could try no guns? It was a bullet fired from a gun that killed him correct?

Did they get their guns legally?

If they didn't (and they didn't, in case you didn't know), what would more gun laws do to stop them from getting guns?
 
Did they get their guns legally?

If they didn't (and they didn't, in case you didn't know), what would more gun laws do to stop them from getting guns?
I wasn't speaking of laws, I was speaking of guns.
 
That must be, Right To Life*


* does not apply to those we deem unworthy.
Due process, that which is the basis of law, one forfeits certain rights when they abuse them to do harm. The right to life in a just system is the hardest to forfeit, but once life is abused by taking life without due cause, the forfeiture of such is on the table.
 
I'm not of the opinion that a kid who can kill because he is "bored" can or should be saved.

Well I'm of the opinion that killing them doesn't do anything for anyone and that you couldn't know if one was worth the effort without actually meeting with and talking with that person.
 
Due process, that which is the basis of law, one forfeits certain rights when they abuse them to do harm. The right to life in a just system is the hardest to forfeit, but once life is abused by taking life without due cause, the forfeiture of such is on the table.
Life unworthy of life eh? Interesting.
 
Well I'm of the opinion that killing them doesn't do anything for anyone and that you couldn't know if one was worth the effort without actually meeting with and talking with that person.
I'm neutral for the most part on the death penalty, however when someone says they killed because they were bored, I don't know how they can be salvaged.
 
I'm neutral for the most part on the death penalty, however when someone says they killed because they were bored, I don't know how they can be salvaged.

The experts claim that children and teenagers have a very high success rate with rehabilitation, even those that have committed violent crimes.
 
No, tell us who is fit to have a child, and raise a child?

Lots of factors. Family environment and parents income being the big ones. These three certainly would have either been aborted or given up for adoption to worthy families if my ideas were law.
 
Regaurdless of the Barbaric nature of the crime, we still have to go through the process of a trial by jury
That is true. For the most heinous of crimes, society should have a right to reserve a heinous punishment. Just my opinion.
 
The experts claim that children and teenagers have a very high success rate with rehabilitation, even those that have committed violent crimes.
For the most part that may be true, but are they incorporating this type of sociopathic behavior?
 
Lots of factors. Family environment and parents income being the big ones. These three certainly would have either been aborted or given up for adoption to worthy families if my ideas were law.
Well lay it all out for us. Who should be allowed to have and raise children? Should you need a permit, from the government?
 
Not a permit, a license.

What are your grand ideas to achieving "no guns", even for criminals?
A government license to have children? It sounds familiar?

And the guns, that's easy. We take them all and if you show up with one we use a flamethrower on you.
 
For the most part that may be true, but are they incorporating this type of sociopathic behavior?

I assume that they would if they were serious about rehabilitation. Of course there would be a small percentage that is not capable of being rehabilitated, but that is for the experts to decide. I wouldn't know anything about these boys, their lives, their upbringings, if they suffer from a mental illness or not.
 
A government license to have children? It sounds familiar?

Ok. It would prevent **** like this happening though. It's a more effective idea than any you've presented.

And the guns, that's easy. We take them all and if you show up with one we use a flamethrower on you.

Wow, what a fool-proof idea!
 
I assume that they would if they were serious about rehabilitation. Of course there would be a small percentage that is not capable of being rehabilitated, but that is for the experts to decide. I wouldn't know anything about these boys, their lives, their upbringings, if they suffer from a mental illness or not.
fair enough Chris. The problem in this particular circumstance is that these kids killed for the only reason of relieving boredom. If certain factors such as "during commission of another crime" are present it could be reasoned that these teens were caught in a heat of the moment situation and didn't have the emotional maturity to assess the situation properly, problem here is they killed specifically to kill, I just don't know how that can be reconciled.
 
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