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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I believe that would be labeled a spree killer.
    This is some confusing territory we're crossing into now!

    According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the general definition of spree killer is a person (or more than one person) who commits two or more murders without a cooling-off period; the lack of a cooling-off period marking the difference between a spree killer and a serial killer. The category has, however, been found to be of no real value to law enforcement, because of definitional problems relating to the concept of a "cooling-off period".[2] Serial killers commit clearly separate murders, happening at different times. Mass murderers are defined by one incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders.[2]

    How to distinguish a spree killer from a mass murderer, or from a serial killer is subject to considerable controversy, and the term is not consistently applied, even within the academic literature. For example, The Encyclopedia of Crime and Punishment, lists five different categories of spree killers and cites Mark O. Barton as an example for the second one.[3] He is also noted with other mass murderers, such as Patrick Sherrill, in the respective entry about mass murder.[4] In The Anatomy Of Motive, John E. Douglas cites Charles Starkweather and Andrew Cunanan as examples of spree killers,[5] while Jack Levin calls Starkweather a mass murderer[6] and Cunanan a serial killer.[7]

    In Controversial Issues in Criminology, Fuller and Hickey write that "[t]he element of time involved between murderous acts is primary in the differentiation of serial, mass, and spree murderers", later elaborating that spree killers "will engage in the killing acts for days or weeks" while the "methods of murder and types of victims vary". Andrew Cunanan is given as an example for spree killing, while Charles Whitman is mentioned in connection with mass murder, and Jeffrey Dahmer with serial killing.[8]

    Douglas explains that the identity of a serial killer is generally unknown until he is caught, and the mass murderer's identity is learned only after he has committed his crime. The identity of the spree killer, on the other hand, usually becomes known by police while his spree continues, and he is sought as a fugitive.[9]

    Another term, rampage killer, has sometimes been used to describe spree killers, but it does not differentiate between mass murderers and spree killers.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that we ALL admit that. The thing that you aren't getting or acknowledging is that "kids" can and do make extremely rational, logical and "adult" decisions every day. Taking a gun out, targeting a person and then pulling the trigger and attempting to get away is clearly the sign of a "kid" (person) that logically thought out a situation and acted on it. This is not as I said, a kid acting immaturely and then killing a person on accident. This isn't a kid punching another one, putting him in a coma where he dies or driving to fast for fun and killing a person. Why wont you differentiate the differences?
    Taking a gun out and shooting someone is in no way a rational, logical adult decision. It is the complete opposite.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Ignorance is bliss.
    You may need to look in a mirror.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am setting up parameters. I am trying to understand if there are any situations where you would support such an action.
    I can't see myself ever desiring the death penalty for any child under the age of 16. Do you think it's okay to execute mentally challenged people who commit a murder?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Taking a gun out and shooting someone is in no way a rational, logical adult decision. It is the complete opposite.
    Yet adults do it every day...thousands of times.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    You may need to look in a mirror.
    Nope. Your simplistic statement was based in ignorance in my opinion.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Taking a gun out and shooting someone is in no way a rational, logical adult decision. It is the complete opposite.
    Yet adults make the same mistake everyday...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Yet adults do it every day...thousands of times.
    Yes, so? Just because an adult does a criminal act does not make it an adult behavior.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    What about life without parole for kids/teens?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yet adults make the same mistake everyday...
    You said the same exact thing as the other guy. Just because adults don't always make rational decisions means nothing.

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