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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    A young made a crime today and tomorrow is his 18th birthday.
    He's not a kid.He ****ed up the system pretty well.

    Basing the evaluation of a crime on the age is stupid imo.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    These aren't kids that were doing something immature, like driving too fast, that hit and killed a person. These aren't kids that locked another kid in a broken freezer behind the shed as a goof and the kid suffocated. These are kids that targeted a person to kill, pulled out a gun and pulled the trigger. You using this, "they are kids that haven't matured" argument is actually kinda strange.
    Yes, they should be punished, not killed. Why would anyone think it strange that I don't want the government to kill it's citizens? IMO, it's the opposite. Those people who are screaming that they want these kids to be killed are the strange ones.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    None of the decisions these kids made were adult-like in any way for that matter. The adults in prison mostly suffer from some malady or another, so they are not healthy or normal adults.

    These children may not have healthy minds, but they are STILL kids with child-like minds, processing skills and critical-thinking skills. They lack these things because they're brains are not yet fully developed. This has been observed by experts on MRI images.
    Yes and those experts also fully acknowledge that the brain does not fully develop until a person is in their mid to late 20's. And yet we have everyone over the age of 18+ making what is considered adult decisions all the time.

    So here is the choice you are left with going by your arguement. Since according to those same experts you talk about a persons brain does not stop developing until at the latest age of 29 then the law should reflect that and no one under the age of 30 should be allowed to be considered as an adult and as such no decision they make should be considered as adult decisions. Which could quite possibly release lots of murderers into our society with time served. Or you can accept the fact that children can, and do, make adult decisions.

    I can accept either answer as that would make my criminal record a non-issue and I am over the age of 30.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Anyway, all you who want these kids to get the death penalty are screwed anyway. It's against the law to execute minors. So there! I win.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes and those experts also fully acknowledge that the brain does not fully develop until a person is in their mid to late 20's. And yet we have everyone over the age of 18+ making what is considered adult decisions all the time.

    So here is the choice you are left with going by your arguement. Since according to those same experts you talk about a persons brain does not stop developing until at the latest age of 29 then the law should reflect that and no one under the age of 30 should be allowed to be considered as an adult and as such no decision they make should be considered as adult decisions. Which could quite possibly release lots of murderers into our society with time served. Or you can accept the fact that children can, and do, make adult decisions.

    I can accept either answer as that would make my criminal record a non-issue and I am over the age of 30.
    Meh, I don't need to argue this case anymore. These kids aren't getting the death penalty, so I'm pleased about that.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Anyway, all you who want these kids to get the death penalty are screwed anyway. It's against the law to execute minors. So there! I win.
    Yes it is here now, finally. It took long enough.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar1.html

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Trying Juveniles as Adults: Why might a juvenile case be transferred to an adult court?

    The two most important qualities that will instigate a transfer from juvenile to adult court are age and the severity of a crime. For example, a fifteen-year-old who murders his teacher might very well be tried as an adult because of his proximity to adulthood and the viciousness of the crime.

    Trying Juveniles as Adults: How old does a minor have to be to be tried as an adult?

    This depends on the state in which the juvenile was charged for the crime. Some states impose age minimums as criteria for trying juveniles as adults, which may be as old as fifteen or as low as twelve. Other states allow any minor to be tried as an adult as long as he or she knows the difference between right and wrong.

    Trying Juveniles as Adults: What are the benefits of trying a juvenile in juvenile court?

    Many people believe that it is always better to try a juvenile in juvenile court, but here are some of the most common arguments:

    - Juvenile records are more easily sealed than adult records
    - Juvenile convictions are less likely to make an impact on the child's future than an adult conviction
    - Sentences handed down in juvenile court are often less severe and are sometimes tailored to the juvenile's individual situation
    - Sentences for incarceration are usually shorter in juvenile courts, and judges are not able to hand down lengthy jail sentences, such as life imprisonment.
    - Jail sentences are served in juvenile detention centers rather than jails or prisons.

    Trying Juveniles as Adults: What are the benefits of trying a juvenile as an adult?

    There are actually several reasons why an adult court would be in the best interest of a minor:

    - Adult courts allow juveniles to have their cases heard in a jury trial.
    - Large cities often have overfilled dockets, and the case might be disposed of more quickly or even dismissed.
    - Adult courts may have more sympathy for a minor than a court that hears juvenile cases all the time.


    EDIT;
    Accidentally lost the source I used above. Sorry. I googled the question, though. Anyone can find it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Everything has drawbacks.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    You have certainly said that but you are wrong. Let us say that we take a random decision that you believe is an "adult" one, and we present it to the courts without them knowing anything about it all, And they say how old was this person who made this decision, and you say 15 your honor. And the judge raises his eyebrows, and promptly throws you out of his courtroom. Why, because 15 can't make that decision.
    And yet...there are many people under the age of 18 that HAVE been tried as adults by those same courts and even quite possibly the same judges. Like me a judge recognizes the fact that the circumstances of what happened matters more than the age of the person. And the circumstances of the kids in the OP are certainly congruant with adult decisions.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Anyway, all you who want these kids to get the death penalty are screwed anyway. It's against the law to execute minors. So there! I win.
    Well why would you be against trying them as adults, then?

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