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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that anybody that murders should be put to death... so I don't really care that some aren't put to death. To me, that is a societal error. These kids, at least the shooter, should be put to death.



    If I made a childish decision and killed a person I would expect to be put to death. Kids know that killing is wrong. Hell, they know that pushing another kid is wrong. The idea that these are "kids making childish decisions so lets not make them face the appropriate consequence" to me, is ridiculous.



    I agree his getting let off is ridiculous... to a degree. But the two are not analogous. He gave them information that helped solve dozens of unsolved murders. The police have to solve these murders. They used the guy to solve the crimes and the guy used a plea bargain to get a lesser sentence. Surely that makes sense?
    None of this justifies killing kids. None of it. Back in the old west they killed people because they didn't really have a place to house them all. We have facilities now. We don't HAVE to kill anybody. We CHOOSE to. That's wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. Now TWO families will have lost people. Putting kids to death is not helping anyone.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I cannot understand this mindset. I cannot.

    "They KILLED somebody, so let's KILL them!"
    Vengeance thy name is Human, not the Lord. We will always be an eye for an eye, no matter what Jesus said.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    You have certainly said that but you are wrong. Let us say that we take a random decision that you believe is an "adult" one, and we present it to the courts without them knowing anything about it all, And they say how old was this person who made this decision, and you say 15 your honor. And the judge raises his eyebrows, and promptly throws you out of his courtroom. Why, because 15 can't make that decision.
    Never dealt with kids, apparently. As a parent and teacher I deal with kids as young as 12 that make extremely rational and "adult" like decisions every single day. The idea that they can't is ludicrous.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    "my line of reasoning"?
    Those aren't trick questions.
    Look if you're going to keep acting ridiculous, I'll just put you on ignore. Now if you have something to actually add to the conversation instead of trying to give me a hard time, then go for it.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I cannot understand this mindset. I cannot.

    "They KILLED somebody, so let's KILL them!"
    I have the same struggle. Though, I may be more inclined to support it in cases of serial killers etc. Do you feel the same regardless of the crime?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Never dealt with kids, apparently. As a parent and teacher I deal with kids as young as 12 that make extremely rational and "adult" like decisions every single day. The idea that they can't is ludicrous.
    FACT is that they do not always make good decisions. Children learn from mistakes. Not that I'm classifying this incident as a "mistake"; I'm just noting that fact with children in general. I've raised a child. He is going on 18. I know what I'm talking about.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You know what you call a adult who murders someone just because they are bored? A sociopath or a psychopath.
    Well one is often not rational enough to be judged for their crimes, and the other has no real conscience, no empathy. That's a poor start if you want someone to take responsibility for their crimes and the court, just as it does with ages and mental development, takes such things into account.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I have the same struggle. Though, I may be more inclined to support it in cases of serial killers etc. Do you feel the same regardless of the crime?
    I'm not sure how I feel about serial killers or mass murderers. Serial killers are a "special" case. Those are people who thrive on killing and actually enjoy it. Some of them have claimed they can't live without killing and how it's a part of who they are. I don't know what to do with people like that.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look if you're going to keep acting ridiculous, I'll just put you on ignore. Now if you have something to actually add to the conversation instead of trying to give me a hard time, then go for it.
    I asked you a couple of simple questions that you are avoiding like smallpox. Your continuing evasion is actually an answer.
    Point made.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Never dealt with kids, apparently. As a parent and teacher I deal with kids as young as 12 that make extremely rational and "adult" like decisions every single day. The idea that they can't is ludicrous.
    You had me at "adult-like". No wait, I had you. Sorry.

    They are pretty good at playing house and dress-up I here as well, but I'm not writing them a mortgage and handing them a martini.

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