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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The issue is that these teens did not kill because they were angry or put in a stressful situation but that they were understimulated (which means bored). Instead of taking a bat to mailboxes that some teens decide to do in a similar situation they wanted to kill people. Since they made a conscious decision to kill for no reason but for **** and giggles, that puts them outside of what can be considered reformable situation. Now sense one was 15 and was but an accomplice and may have been coerced to go he might be reformable however since juvenile justice stops at 21 and there is no follow up after make me want to try him as an adult also.
    Again this is the prosecutor's side of the story. Are you familiar at all with goes on pre trial? The prosecutor is going to try to muddy the names of the accused and make them appear as guilty as humanly possible and taint public opinion. This is a strategy.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    They deserve only the death sentence.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Have you never heard the phrase that the Law is an Ass? Be careful when spanking one, especially the smaller younger ones, but my point is still entirely valid, we can spank them because we define them as children and treat them that way. That doesn't change just because they do something monstrous. They are still children.
    Anyway since there is either loose enforcement of the statue or a low threshold of battery effectively means that corporal punishment is not used as much and therefore not an option to prevent misbehavior.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The issue is that these teens did not kill because they were angry or put in a stressful situation but that they were understimulated (which means bored). Instead of taking a bat to mailboxes that some teens decide to do in a similar situation they wanted to kill people. Since they made a conscious decision to kill for no reason but for **** and giggles, that puts them outside of what can be considered reformable situation. Now sense one was 15 and was but an accomplice and may have been coerced to go he might be reformable however since juvenile justice stops at 21 and there is no follow up after make me want to try him as an adult also.
    This really pisses me off. How do you know why they killed? Because the prosecutor told you? Lol! Have you spoken to these kids? What does the defense team say? Since you seem to know all about these kids and this case, do tell!

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    No, I'm making the very simple and obvious point that a gun is not for self-defense, it's for killing things. You can use a hammer for self-defense but a gun is a whole lot easier, mainly because it's much more effective at Killing Things, which is why it was designed in the first place.

    Are you saying that cops should not have guns? That guns cannot be used by cops for self defense or for others? Or are cops special and get to use guns for this purpose?

    How will a 140 pound woman defend herself against a 250 pound man with a hammer? I don't see it happening. The point of having guns it makes all men (and women) equal in ability to defend their lives, their families lives, as well as their property.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Anyway since there is either loose enforcement of the statue or a low threshold of battery effectively means that corporal punishment is not used as much and therefore not an option to prevent misbehavior.
    If you can get the parents to be truthful, it's still used plenty.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    The law says they are minors, so they should be tried as minors. You can't just say minors are adults for convenience. No-one is defending them, and IF they are convicted, they should be severely punished.
    They can be tried as adults because the law says that they can.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — With the simplest of motives — breaking up the boredom of an Oklahoma summer — three teenagers followed an Australian collegiate baseball player who was attending school in the U.S. and killed him with a shot to the back for “the fun of it,” prosecutors said Tuesday as they charged two of the teens with murder.
    As the boys appeared in an Oklahoma courtroom, a 17-year-old blurted out, “I pulled the trigger,” then wept after a judge told him that Tuesday’s hearing wasn’t the time or place to sort out the facts of the case.
    Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys “thugs” as he told Stephens County Judge Jerry Herberger how Christopher Lane, 22, of Melbourne, died on a city street.
    Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, of Duncan were charged with first-degree murder and, under Oklahoma law, will be tried as adults. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, of Duncan was accused of using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. He is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court. 3 Teens Charged After Australian Player Slain « CBS Houston
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Are you saying that cops should not have guns? That guns cannot be used by cops for self defense or for others? Or are cops special and get to use guns for this purpose?

    How will a 140 pound woman defend herself against a 250 pound man with a hammer? I don't see it happening. The point of having guns it makes all men (and women) equal in ability to defend their lives, their families lives, as well as their property.
    A gun is not about defense. It's for killing something.

    As for what I would do with guns, especially handguns, no one would have them unless they were going off to war. That's a very good place for a gun BTW, it's really good at killing people.

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