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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hmm, I just reviewed some of the recent news articles about the case and I find something strange in the application of charges.

    The three teens are Jones, a 17 yo white kid who was driving the car; Luna, a 16 yo black kid who was sitting in the backseat and who shot the victim; Edwards, a 15 yo black kid who was riding in the passenger seat.

    Only Luna and Edwards were charged with First Degree Murder.
    Jones was charged with driving a vehicle used in discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact.

    Why wasn't Jones charged with First Degree Murder? He did more than the 15 yo Edwards, who was apparently a passenger egging the issue on.

    From what little we know all three were culpable of conspiracy to commit murder, all three were in the car together when Luna shot the victim, so why is the oldest (who also happens to be white) not being charged with First Degree Murder? Did I miss something?
    It does seem odd. Jones is just as guilty as the other two and should have gotten the same charge. although, IIRC, Edwards was already on probation for a previous offense (the specifics were not released) so that may have played a part in him getting a more serious charge.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hmm, I just reviewed some of the recent news articles about the case and I find something strange in the application of charges.

    The three teens are Jones, a 17 yo white kid who was driving the car; Luna, a 16 yo black kid who was sitting in the backseat and who shot the victim; Edwards, a 15 yo black kid who was riding in the passenger seat.

    Only Luna and Edwards were charged with First Degree Murder.
    Jones was charged with driving a vehicle used in discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact.

    Why wasn't Jones charged with First Degree Murder? He did more than the 15 yo Edwards, who was apparently a passenger egging the issue on.

    From what little we know all three were culpable of conspiracy to commit murder, all three were in the car together when Luna shot the victim, so why is the oldest (who also happens to be white) not being charged with First Degree Murder? Did I miss something?
    I wonder the same. A lot of things about this case just seem odd IMO.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Sure...people at whatever age kill someone out of boredom should not be on the street period.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hmm, I just reviewed some of the recent news articles about the case and I find something strange in the application of charges.

    The three teens are Jones, a 17 yo white kid who was driving the car; Luna, a 16 yo black kid who was sitting in the backseat and who shot the victim; Edwards, a 15 yo black kid who was riding in the passenger seat.

    Only Luna and Edwards were charged with First Degree Murder.
    Jones was charged with driving a vehicle used in discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact.

    Why wasn't Jones charged with First Degree Murder? He did more than the 15 yo Edwards, who was apparently a passenger egging the issue on.

    From what little we know all three were culpable of conspiracy to commit murder, all three were in the car together when Luna shot the victim, so why is the oldest (who also happens to be white) not being charged with First Degree Murder? Did I miss something?
    It was also odd how the oldest boy cried out in court that he was the one who pulled the trigger and was hushed up by the judge.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What if it's a 12-year-old? You're okay with putting a 12-year-old in jail for the rest of his or her life? You think they are on par with an adult in any sense at all?
    if it can be shown that the crime was an intentional act of murder...then yes. although, and I have stated this before (and quoted from Black's Law dictionary) children (14 and under) are viewed differently in the eyes of the law than are juveniles (aka minors 15-17)


    That's what you and others are doing too when you refer to them as "sociopaths." You are certainly not qualified to make such a diagnosis.
    their actions are more in line with those of a sociopath than they are with those of a child


    Well, it's obviously quite upsetting to you that I give them the benefit of the doubt instead of being judge, jury and executioner.
    then obviously, we also disagree on the definition of "upset" as well. your opinion in no way "upsets" me, I just don't understand it.


    Then you should be more than familiar with cases of prosecutorial misconduct.
    and yet there is no evidence of such in this case. the question then becomes....why do you assume it exists?

    like I said: you assume the best of these three punks and assume the worst of the prosecution. I wonder why.....
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    It does seem odd. Jones is just as guilty as the other two and should have gotten the same charge. although, IIRC, Edwards was already on probation for a previous offense (the specifics were not released) so that may have played a part in him getting a more serious charge.
    Perhaps, but unless his "prior" was a serious violent crime it would not make him more culpable than the other two in this offense. He is the youngest and did the least of all three. Aside from some evidence of bragging about it being "time to take some life's" on a twitter account a few days prior.

    The oldest, Jones, was also the one "crying crocodile tears" in court that day.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hmm, I just reviewed some of the recent news articles about the case and I find something strange in the application of charges.

    The three teens are Jones, a 17 yo white kid who was driving the car; Luna, a 16 yo black kid who was sitting in the backseat and who shot the victim; Edwards, a 15 yo black kid who was riding in the passenger seat.

    Only Luna and Edwards were charged with First Degree Murder.
    Jones was charged with driving a vehicle used in discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact.

    Why wasn't Jones charged with First Degree Murder? He did more than the 15 yo Edwards, who was apparently a passenger egging the issue on.

    From what little we know all three were culpable of conspiracy to commit murder, all three were in the car together when Luna shot the victim, so why is the oldest (who also happens to be white) not being charged with First Degree Murder? Did I miss something?
    It has less to do with "oldest white kid should be charged with murder" and more to do with "other black kid who didn't pull trigger shouldn't be charged with murder". I'd be surprised if Murder 1 makes it past grand jury with the other black kid. Accessory, conspiracy, criminal negligence, sure...murder no.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It has less to do with "oldest white kid should be charged with murder" and more to do with "other black kid who didn't pull trigger shouldn't be charged with murder". I'd be surprised if Murder 1 makes it past grand jury with the other black kid. Accessory, conspiracy, criminal negligence, sure...murder no.
    Well that was what I was leading up to. I had already posted earlier in the thread that perhaps the 15 yo should be tried as a juvenile. But if he is being charged as an adult why charge him with murder instead of accessory to murder or some lesser charge?
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It was also odd how the oldest boy cried out in court that he was the one who pulled the trigger and was hushed up by the judge.
    nothing odd about it. that hearing was not the time to make such statements. I'm quite sure that if he wants to confess to pulling the trigger at trial, he will be allowed to do so.


    I have seen cases where there were more than one person involved and all confessed and the state was unable to prove which one was telling the truth so all three were acquitted because it could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt which one was actually the shooter.

    think about it. 3 guys in the car. the state knows that one of them pulled the trigger, but if they can't prove which one of the three did it...they can't convict any of them.
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