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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Just so we're clear, are your answers to these questions any different than Oscar's?
    Was I the one saying that they can't be rehabilitated?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Anyway, here's an update. As noted in the article, the original pictures released by the media were WRONG.

    These Are the Three Teens Charged in the Murder of Student Chris Lane ‘For the Fun of It’ (UPDATED) | TheBlaze.com

    I found this part of the article fascinating too!

    Michael Jones, 17, was reportedly charged with using a vehicle to facilitate the discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact of murder in the first degree. He reportedly said in court “I pulled the trigger” but the judge told him to remain silent. The boy cried and his bond was set at $1 million.

    The three teens will be tried as adults, the Herald Sun reports.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Obviously at least one of these boys had absolutely no parental supervision at all. He had guns and stacks of money in his home apparently. I would think most vigilant parents would be aware of this.

    I'm also curious as to how some justify sentencing the other two "non-shooters" as adults. Anybody?

    I also found it odd, considering that the claim is the three confessed to the crime, that in the article, it states this:


    Father of suspect James Edwards told KSWO-TV his son must be innocent because his son told him, “I didn’t have nothing to do with it.”

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Obviously at least one of these boys had absolutely no parental supervision at all. He had guns and stacks of money in his home apparently. I would think most vigilant parents would be aware of this.

    I'm also curious as to how some justify sentencing the other two "non-shooters" as adults. Anybody?

    I also found it odd, considering that the claim is the three confessed to the crime, that in the article, it states this:
    how do you justify charging the guy in a gang rape who only held the victim down with rape?

    in this case, all three were there, all three knew the plan, the two who did not pull the trigger are just as responsible for this murder as the guy who did.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    how do you justify charging the guy in a gang rape who only held the victim down with rape?

    in this case, all three were there, all three knew the plan, the two who did not pull the trigger are just as responsible for this murder as the guy who did.
    I'm not asking about charging them. Of course they should be charged. I'm wondering why they should be charged as adults in this particular crime.

    I also found it interesting that the prosecutor says the one kid is taking it as a "joke" but in the very next sentence it says he was "crying" in court.

    "I believe this man is a threat to the community and should not be let out," Hicks said as he requested no bond for Edwards. "He thinks it's all a joke." The 17-year-old wept in court after he tried to speak and was cut off by the judge.

    Read more: Teens charged after allegedly killing Australian student in Oklahoma for the 'fun of it' | Fox News

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not asking about charging them. Of course they should be charged. I'm wondering why they should be charged as adults in this particular crime.
    because they are just as responsible. they knew and agreed to the plan to murder someone. they should be charged the same as the trigger man. the only way I could see differently is if they had no reasonable expectation that the trigger man was going to shoot someone and just happened to be in the car with him when he did.


    I also found it interesting that the prosecutor says the one kid is taking it as a "joke" but in the very next sentence it says he was "crying" in court.

    nothing odd about it. funny how things stop being funny when reality hits you in the face. being an MP, I have seen many grown men cry like babies when they are caught committing a crime.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    because they are just as responsible. they knew and agreed to the plan to murder someone. they should be charged the same as the trigger man. the only way I could see differently is if they had no reasonable expectation that the trigger man was going to shoot someone and just happened to be in the car with him when he did.
    They didn't kill him. How can justify trying them as adults?




    nothing odd about it. funny how things stop being funny when reality hits you in the face. being an MP, I have seen many grown men cry like babies when they are caught committing a crime.
    I'm sure, but the prosecution claims he's taking it as a "joke" yet he was crying.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They didn't kill him. How can justify trying them as adults?
    the same way you can justify charging a person who pays someone to kill for them with murder. they were active participants in the murder, before, during and after.






    I'm sure, but the prosecution claims he's taking it as a "joke" yet he was crying.
    I've seen plenty of guilty, unremorseful criminals cry in an attempt to garner sympathy.

    Crocodile tears (or superficial sympathy) are a false or insincere display of emotion such as a hypocrite crying fake tears of grief.

    Crocodile tears - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the same way you can justify charging a person who pays someone to kill for them with murder. they were active participants in the murder, before, during and after.
    Why can't they be charged as juveniles as accessories to the murder? This has been done before. Why are they making such a big deal out of this PARTICULAR case? It's definitely a mystery. There have been PLENTY of juvenile murderers or accessories to murders that were much more heinous than this, and they were charged as juveniles.


    I've seen plenty of guilty, unremorseful criminals cry in an attempt to garner sympathy.

    Crocodile tears (or superficial sympathy) are a false or insincere display of emotion such as a hypocrite crying fake tears of grief.

    Crocodile tears - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    I know what crocodile tears are. I doubt they are "crocodile tears." The kid has to be ****ting himself right now.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There have been PLENTY of juvenile murderers or accessories to murders that were much more heinous than this, and they were charged as juveniles.
    such as?





    I know what crocodile tears are. I doubt they are "crocodile tears." The kid has to be ****ting himself right now.
    not if he is a sociopath. I find it odd that you are going to such great lengths to bend over backwards to give these three murderers the benefit of the doubt. I taught at an inner city school for over a decade and saw hundreds, if not thousands, of teenagers like these three.
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