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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Teens does not include or exclude based only on age?

    I am done trying to "reason" with you on this issue.
    I don't think you know what that word means. Your post doesn't even make sense.

    To clarify for you, I mean that my talking about "teens" being capable of rehabilitation does not mean that these three would. Understand now?

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And that takes into account multiple factors, not what people read in news articles, but people who actually examine the kids and are qualified to make such judgments without letting emotion cloud their judgments.
    which is why, in this case, I defer to the Oklahoma authorities who have decided to charge these 3 as adults...instead of claiming that teenagers should NEVER be charged as adults, as you have done.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    some cannot. and given the circumstances surrounding the crime they committed and the manner in which it was carried out, it would appear that these 3 are poor candidates for rehabilitation through the juvenile system. the one who was already on juvie probation in particular.
    I don't think you have the qualifications to make such decisions.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Man, I don't even know what "rehabilitated" means in the context of this thread. Anybody that thinks that these three are going to spend a few years in prison and then return to society as West Point Cadets or Choir Boys is seriously mistaken.

    Society's duty in this case is to make sure others are protected from them forever, whatever that takes. The same goes for the three that beat the white student on the bus and the other two that killed the 89 year old man in Spokane.

    They gave up any right they had to their lives when they killed someone else.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think you have the qualifications to make such decisions.
    but the "experts" and authorities in Oklahoma do. which is why I defer to their judgement and don't claim that teenagers should never be charged as an adult under any circumstances.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    which is why, in this case, I defer to the Oklahoma authorities who have decided to charge these 3 as adults...instead of claiming that teenagers should NEVER be charged as adults, as you have done.
    The prosecutors are in control. They can decide to listen or not listen to recommendations. Of course the prosecutors want to charge them as adults. That is far from surprising. I'd like to know what data they used to make this determination, or is it strictly based on the nature of the crime.

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think you know what that word means. Your post doesn't even make sense.

    To clarify for you, I mean that my talking about "teens" being capable of rehabilitation does not mean that these three would. Understand now?
    As far as I know teens means ages between 13 (thirteen) and 19 (nineteen), since only those ages end in "teen".

    teens
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    noun
    plural noun: teens

    1. the years of a person's age from 13 to 19.

    "they were both in their late teens"
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As far as I know teens means ages between 13 (thirteen) and 19 (nineteen), since only those ages end in "teen".
    Woosh! Totally over your head. Besides, you said you were done with me, so be gone!

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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The prosecutors are in control. They can decide to listen or not listen to recommendations. Of course the prosecutors want to charge them as adults. That is far from surprising. I'd like to know what data they used to make this determination, or is it strictly based on the nature of the crime.
    IOW, someone is only an expert if they agree with your opinion.
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    Re: Should these teens be tried as adults

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you a psychologist? Have you interviewed or spoken to these kids? What do you know about their mental health, their upbringings, etc?
    Just so we're clear, are your answers to these questions any different than Oscar's?

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